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samAdhAnaH- .. shA.nti AtmAkA svabhAv hai aur AtmAme.n hai. bAhar to kalpanAse sukh mAnA hai. sukh, shA.nti bAhar to nahI.n hai. jIv ananta kAlase shubhabhAv kare, bAhya kriyAe.N kare, bAhar dharma mAnakar karatA hai, parantu andarakI AkulatA TAlanI, vah to svaya.n andar samajhe to hotA hai. shubhabhAv kare, bhale bahut kare, bAharase bahut kare, upavAs kare, sAmAyik kare, pratikramaN kare, mandir jAy, pUjA-bhakti sab kare, lekin andarame.n shA.nti to AtmAko pahachAne to hotI hai. vah sab to shubhabhAv hote hai.n, un sabase puNya-bandha hotA hai, devalok mile, parantu dev to ek gati hai. dev bhav ananta bAr mile, manuShyabhav milA, sab milA, parantu vah sab bhav hai. bhavakA abhAv to AtmAko pahachAne to hotA hai.

vah sab shubhabhAv puNyabhAv hai.n. usase AtmA to andar bhinna hI hai. bhinna AtmAko pahachAne to hotA hai. sharIr to jaD kuCh jAnatA nahI.n, andar jo vikalpa Aye, shubhabhAv Aye, ashubhabhAv Aye, sab bhAv vikalpa hai.n. kisIse puNya bandhe aur kisIse pAp bandhe. parantu usase bhinna jo AtmA jAnanevAlA hai, vah j~nAyak AtmAko pahachAne to usame.nse shA.nti AtI hai. parantu use pahachAnaneke liye, AtmA j~nAyak hai usame.n shA.nti hai, usame.n Ananda hai, use pahachAnaneke liye usakI ruchi, usakI jij~nAsA, usakA vichAr karanA chAhiye. usakA vA.nchan (karanA chAhiye). satya kyA hai, vah svaya.n vA.nchan, vichAr karake svaya.nse nakkI kare to hotA hai. parantu svaya.nse samajhe nahI.n to satsa.ng kare, jahA.N sachchA satsa.ng milatA ho, vahA.N vah satya jAnanekA prayatna kare ki satya kyA hai? shA.nti to andar AtmAme.n hai, bAhar kahI.n nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- vah samajh to ho gayI hai, utanA to samajhate haiai.n ki yah bAhya kriyA hai. a.ntarakI bAt alag hai. AtmAkA darshan honA chAhiye, vah barAbar hai. parantu aisA satsa.ng milatA nahI.n, aisI j~nAnagoShThI karaneke liye vichAro.nkA AdAnapradAn kare.n, vahA.N aisA koI (milatA nahI.n). mai.n paDhU.N, Age nahI.n baDh pAtI hU.N, aTak jAtI hU.N, aisI sab manakI paristhiti hai. isaliye andar udveg bahut hotA hai. karanA hai, satya vastu prApta karanI hai, satya mArga par chaDh jAnA hai, utanI jij~nAsA hai. satya kyA hai aur asatya

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kyA hai, utanI samajhan huyI hai, paDhate-paDhate, prayatna karate-karate. parantu abhI vahA.N jAu.N to vahA.N kuCh kamI lage, derAsarame.n jAu.N to vahA.N kuCh kamI lage.

samAdhAnaH- jahA.N satya milatA ho, vahA.N satya jAnanekA prayatna karanA. satya vastu jAne, svaya.n jAne to andar nakkI ho ki yahI satya hai. phir usI rAste par svaya.n prayatna kare, usakA vichAr kare, usakI jij~nAsA (Adi) sab kare. parantu satya kyA hai yah nakkI karaneke liye satsa.ng, jahA.N satya bAt milatI ho aise sthAname.n jAkarasatsa.ng kare to hotA hai.

mumukShuH- aise to bAhar jAtI hI hU.N. vavANiyA jAtI hU.N, vaDavA jAtI hU.N. pustak rakhe hai.n. bhaktime.n mujhe visheSh ras hai. AnandaghanajIke pad, AdhyAtmik pad artha sahit milAn karu.N. usakA pUrA milAn karatI hU.N.

samAdhAnaH- vah hai, lekin andar satya jyAdA nahI.n jAne, parantu thoDA bhI mArga to use jAnanA chAhiye. satya jAne binA Age nahI.n baDh sakatA. ek gA.Nv jAnA ho to kis gA.Nvame.n jAnA hai, usakA rAstA jAne binA (kaise jAyegA)? bhale phir dhIre- dhIre chale, chalaneme.n der lage, parantu mArga to jAnanA chAhiye na? ki is mArgase jAnA hotA hai. sachche j~nAn binA, prayojanabhUt j~nAn binA, bhale bhakti, utsAh Adi sab Aye, mahimA Aye, dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA Aye, AtmAkI mahimA Aye, parantu satya kyA hai use jAne binA Age kaise jAyegA? sachchA j~nAn to (karanA chAhiye). j~nAn binA kaise jAnA hogA? satsa.ng karanA chAhiye, jo satya jAnatA ho use pUChanA chAhiye. sachche shAstra, jahA.N satsa.ng ho vahA.N samajhanA chAhiye. samajhaneke liye prayatna karanA chAhiye. mAtra akelI bhakti karatA rahe to bhI Age nahI.n baDh sakatA.

mumukShuH- kamI lagatI hai, isIliye yah khoj aur prayatna chAlU rakhe hai.n. isame.n kamI hai, kuCh kamI hai, kuCh kamI hai, abhI kuCh chAhiye.

samAdhAnaH- .. bolanekI jarUrat nahI.n hai. apanI mAnyatAme.n pheraphAr karanA hai. bAhar jAnA ChoD denA aisA kuCh usame.n AtA nahI.n. apanI mAnyatA badalanI hai. mAnyatA badale to apaneAp sab pheraphAr hotA hai. koI derAvAsI ho vah kahe, yah mandir Adi kyA? lekin tum satya samajho to apaneAp sab pheraphAr ho.nge. gurudev sthAnakavAsI sa.npradAyame.n the. unho.nne sab shAstra dekhe hai.n. derAvAsI, sthAnakavAsI, usame.nse unho.nne pheraphAr karake, unako yah satya lagA to use grahaN kar liyA.

mumukShuH- aisA kah sakate hai.n kyA abhI jo dharmakAl pravartatA hai, aisA pIChale do hajAr varShame.n nahI.n pravartatA thA. kAraN ki kundakunda svAmIko pratyakSha dekhanevAle Ap akele hI do hAjar varShame.n yahA.N ho. vahA.N videhakShetrame.n...

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samAdhAnaH- yahA.N dharmakAl nahI.n pravartatA thA, aisA kaise kah sakate hai.n?

mumukShuH- vyApakarUpase.

samAdhAnaH- kundakundAchArya yahA.N virAjate the tab dharmakAl to pravartatA hogA. nahI.n pravartatA aisA kaise kah sakate hai.n? gurudevane to bahut prabhAvanA kI. lekin kundakundAchAryadev virAjate ho.nge tab bhI prabhAvanA huI hogI.

mumukShuH- ja.ngalame.n the na.

samAdhAnaH- vah apekShA alag hai. ja.ngalame.n ho vah apekShA alag hai. aur abhI ham dUsarI apekShAse kahate hai.n. muni ja.ngalame.n ho aur gA.Nvame.n Aye tab ho. yahA.N gurudev to sab mumukShuo.nke bIch, hajAro.n mumukShuo.nke bIch yahA.N nira.ntar vANI barasAte the. 45- 45 sAl tak vANI barasatI rahI. mumukShuo.nke bIch rahakar jo lAbh diyA, vah to koI apUrva hai. vah ek apekShA alag hai. bAkI kundakundAchAryakA to yah shAsan kahalAtA hai.

kitanI prAchIn pratimAe.N dekhe.n to sabame.n kundakunda AmnAy, kundakunda AmnAy aisA AtA hai. ve to mahA samartha AchArya ho gaye. us vakta kuCh alag huA hogA, is vakta kuCh alag hai. gurudev tIrtha.nkarakA dravya, yahA.N gurudev padhAre vah mahAbhAgyakI bAt hai. pahale jo kriyAme.n the aur abhI sabako chaitanyakI ruchi aur chaitanyakA vichAr karanA sIkhe, yahA.N saurAShTrame.n hI nahI.n har jagah prabhAvanA huyI. kundakundAchArya virAjate the vah alag thA. munirAj yahA.Nse videhakShetrame.n gaye aur vahA.Nse vApas Aye. sabako upadesh diyA, vah kAl us samayame.n kuCh alag hI huA hogA. vah alag hogA. abhI yah alag hai.

mumukShuH- kundakundasvAmI kahI.n likhakar nahI.n gaye hai.n ki mai.n videhakShetrame.n jAkar (sunakar yah likh rahA hU.N).

samAdhAnaH- unho.nne svaya.n bhale hI nahI.n likhA ho, parantu shAstro.nme.n AtA hai, AchArya likhate hai.n, pa.nchAstikAyakI TIkAme.n AtA hai, devasenAchArya Adi sab kahate hai.n. shAstrame.n lekh Ate hai.n. shilAlekho.nme.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- shilAlekh parase kahe. Ap to sAkShAt dekhakar yahA.N bAt karate ho.

samAdhAnaH- vah apekShA alag hai, yah apekShA alag hai. dono.n apekShAse samajhanA hai. dono.n apekShAse samajhanA. munirAj the, mahAsamartha AchArya the. us vakta sAkShAt us dehame.n jo videhakShetrame.n sIma.ndhar bhagavAnake sAkShAt darshan karake, vahA.N vANI sunakar is bharatakShetrame.n padhAre, us samayakA mAhol us vakta kaisA huA hogA? vah kuCh alag hI huA hogA.

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mumukShuH- ek apekShAse to gurudev aur Ap, dono.n sAkShAt vANI sunakar hI yahA.N padhAre ho. ve pahale gaye aur vApas Aye. Ap pahalI bAr yahA.N Aye.

samAdhAnaH- Apako jo artha lenA ho vah lIjiye.

mumukShuH- chaturtha kAl kahate hai.n, yahA.N sonagaDhame.n chaturtha kAl vartatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- jise hit ho, jaisA artha lenA ho vaisA le sakate hai.n. bAkI sab apekShAe.N samajhanI hai.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! Aj gurudevakA parivartanakA divas hai.

samAdhAnaH- gurudev tIrtha.nkarakA dravya, tIrtha.nkar jaisA kArya kiyA. tIrtha.nkarakA dravya to ho, parantu yah to tIrtha.nkar jaisA gurudevane abhI kAm kiyA. is bharatakShetrame.n vANI koI alag hI thI. unake jaisI vANI kisIkI nahI.n thI. pUre sa.npradAyakA parivartan kiyA. vah koI alag bAt thI. vah koI AsAn bAt nahI.n thI. pUre sa.npradAyame.n unake prati sabako mahimA thI. sa.npradAyame.n logo.nkA samUh ikaThThA hotA thA, vah sab ChoDakar ek or baiaiThakar svaya.nne parivartan kiyA. sa.npradAyame.n khalabalI mach gayI, to bhI akelene andar puruShArtha karake, sab sahan karaneke liye taiyAr the. samAchAr patro.nme.n sab jagah khalabalI mach gayI thI.

yahA.N ekAnta sthAname.n koI Aye, na Aye, kisIkI paravAh nahI.n kI. bhale thoDe log Aye, hajAro.nkI janasa.nkhyAme.n baiThakar gurudev vyAkhyAn karate the. usake badale yahA.N ekAntavAsame.n Akar baiTh gaye. parivartan kiyA, aisA logo.nko mAlUm huA to sthAnakavAsIme.n khalabalI mach gayI. unako aisA thA, andar jo mAnatA hU.N vah bAt aur bAharame.n bhes alag hai. isaliye bhesakA bhI parivartan kar diyA. parantu gurudev par logo.nko itanI bhakti thI ki kAnajIsvAmI jo kahate hai.n vah sab satya hai. aur vichArapUrvak hI sab karate hai.n. kAnajIsvAmIke liye sthAnakavAsI sa.npradAyame.n aisA kahate the, unake jaise koI sAdhu nahI.n the, vahA.N sthAnakavAsI sa.npradAyame.n. unho.nne jo kiyA hogA vichAr karake kiyA hogA. tura.nt pratham paryuShaName.n hI logo.nkA samUh AyA thA. sa.npradAyakA Agrah ChoDakar bahut log Ane lage.

mumukShuH- parivartanakA divas bhI mahAvIrasvAmIke janmajaya.ntike din hI..

samAdhAnaH- terasake din hI gurudevane parivartan kiyA. yahA.N ChoTI pahADI hai na? yahA.N sonagaDhame.n ChoTI pahADI para. sTAr oph inDiyA, kahalAtI hai. usakA nAm hI vahI thA. us ba.ngalekA nAm pahalese sTAr oph inDiyA thA.

mumukShuH- hindustAnakA tArA.

samAdhAnaH- hindustAnakA tArA.

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mumukShuH- kudaratI kaisA mel hai! kundakundasvAmIke nAmakA artha bhI suvarNa hI hotA hai na?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, suvarNa hotA hai.

mumukShuH- aur yah suvarNapurI.

samAdhAnaH- yah suvarNapurI. sa.npradAyake sAmane Takkar jhelakar sab pheraphAr kiyA. satya mArga hai, parantu mAtra kriyA nahI.n, a.ntara.ngase unho.nne to...

svAnubhUtikA mArga, us mArgake sAth diga.nbar mArga AtA hai. usame.nse dhIre-dhIre unakI prabhAvanA baDhatI gayI. sab diga.nbar is or muDane lage. lekin mAtra ek bhes dhAraN kiyA isaliye diga.nbar aisA nahI.n. unakA to a.ntarame.nse bhAvasahit sab upadesh us prakArakA thA.

mumukShuH- bhAvasahit aur sab nyAyase samajhame.n Aye, yuktise samajhame.n Aye, is tarah sab (samajhAyA).

samAdhAnaH- nyAyase, yuktise sabako baiTh jAy, vaise. chAro.n orase. ... sab AtA hai. kundakundAchAryake shAstra abhI tak chale.

mumukShuH- prabhAvanAme.n ApakA jAtismaraN bhI ek utanA hI prabal kAraN thA. unhe.n bhale AbhAsA hotA thA ki mai.n tIrtha.nkar honevAlA hU.N. parantu pratyakSharUpase jo khyAl A gayA..

samAdhAnaH- Ap sabako jo artha karanA ho vah karo, bAkI to tIrtha.nkarakA dravya thA. tIrtha.nkar to tIrtha.nkar hI the. unho.nne to is bharat kShetrame.n vANI barasAyI. aisI joradAr unakI AtmasparshI vANI sabako asar kare, aisI. is kAraNase sab AtmAkI or muDe. hajAro.n mumukShu ho gaye. vah to ek mahApuruSh ho unake pIChe sab hotA hai. tIrtha.nkar bhagavAn jagatame.n sarvotkR^iShTa kahalAte hai.n. jagatame.n sarvotkR^iShTa ho to tIrtha.nkaradev hai.n.

mumukShuH- shAstro.nkA gujarAtI bhAShAme.n (anuvAd huA).

samAdhAnaH- vah to ek mahApuruSh ho, tIrtha.nkar dravya yahA.N padhAre. tIrtha.nkar jaisA hI kAm kiyA. unake pIChe sab kuCh hotA hai. bhagavAnakA samavasaraN ho, vahA.N sabakuCh hotA hai. .. ek bhagavAnakI hotI hai, bAkI sab to unake pIChe hote hai.n. sab unake dAs hai.n. sabakuCh hotA hai, parantu samavasaraName.n mahimA ek bhagavAnakI hotI hai. usame.n sab muni hote hai.n, gaNadhar, R^iddhidhArI Adi sab hote hai.n. indra, chakravartI Adi sab hote hai.n. mahimA ek bhagavAnakI hotI hai. indra samavasaraN rachatA hai, tab kahatA hai, he bhagavAn! yah rachanA ho gayI, vah Apake kAraN rachanA ho gayI hai. svaya.n hI rachakar sva.nyako hI Ashcharya hotA hai. ApakA aisA koI puNya hai, aisA sarvotkR^iShTa puNya hai,

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is kAraNase yah sab rachanA huyI hai.

mumukShuH- indra unake puNya dekhakar Ashcharyachakit hotA hai, usame.n vANI bhI aisI hotI hai ki samajhanevAleko aisA lagatA hai ki aisA to hame.n kabhI milA hI nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- bhagavAnakI mudrA aisI, bhagavAnakA samavasaraN aisA, bhagavAnakI vANI aisI, sabakuCh aisA hI hotA hai. bhagavAnakI divyadhvani aisI. yahA.N gurudevakI vANI aisI. aisI vANI sunakar log tha.Nbh jAte the. sab TagaraTagar dekhate rahate the aur kyA kahate hai.n? kuCh alag hI kahate hai.n, is prakAr sabake hR^idayakA parivartan ho jAtA thA. vANI to, vANIkI to kyA bAt karanI?

mumukShuH- gurudevake upadeshakA mukhya sUr, tU paramAtmA hai vah yA parakA akartApanA?

samAdhAnaH- tU paramAtmA hai, vaha.

mumukShuH- vah mukhya sUr thA?

samAdhAnaH- mukhya. apanI asti grahaN karanI. tU j~nAyak paramAtmA hai. tU paramAtmA hai, aisA grahaN kar to usame.nse paramAtmapad pragaT hogA. usame.n akartApanA A jAtA hai. paramAtmAko grahaN kare usame.n. usame.n sab samA jAtA hai. asti grahaN kare usame.n nAsti samA jAtI hai. parapadArthakA kartA nahI.n hai. tU svaya.n sarvotkR^iShTa paramAtmA hai.

kaisA paramAtmA? j~nAyak paramAtmA. jAnanevAlA paramAtmA, kartA nahI.n hai. paramAtmAkA svarUp vichAre to paramAtmA kaisA paramAtmA? j~nAyak paramAtmA ana.nt shaktio.nse bharapUr ana.nt mahimAva.nta. j~nAyak jAnanevAlA huA, usame.n kartR^itva ChUT gayA. jAne so kartA nahI.n, kartA so jAne nahI.n. "karai karam so hI karatArA, jo jAne so jAnanahArA'. jAnanevAlA ho vah kuCh karatA nahI.n, j~nAtA rahatA hai.

mumukShuH- usakA upAy, Apane samyak jaya.ntike din kahA ki j~nAtAkas DorI lekar usake sanmukh ho-svarUp sanmukh ho, vah usakA upAya.

samAdhAnaH- j~nAtAkI DorI grahaN kar le. j~nAyak hI hU.N, aisA grahaN karake svasanmukh jAy to kartR^itva ChUT jAya.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! us din dekhA ki Apane uttar denese pahale to gurudevakA kitanA vinay, bahumAn (karake) Age to gurudevako hI rakhA. gurudevakA sab upakAr hai, guurudevane hI sab diyA hai, gurudevakA hI sab hai. usake bAd Apane uttar diyA. Ap jahA.N bhI dekho, vahA.N aisA lage ki har jagah Ap pahale to gurudevako hI sthApate ho.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevako hI sthApanA hotA hai. dUsarA kyA sthApan karanA? jinho.nne mArga batAyA, paramAtmAkA svarUp batAyA, aise gurudevakI hI sthApanA hotI hai.

mumukShuH- mai.n to dAsAnudAs hU.N. Ap kaise shabda bolate the.

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samAdhAnaH- apanA kuCh bhI rakhanA ki mai.n... vah AtmArthIkA lakShaN hI nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- adabhut vinay! baDo.nko sar par rakhanekA jo Ap vachanAmR^itame.n kahate ho vah Apake jIvaname.n sAkShAt Utar gayA ho, aisA lagatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- jise muktike mArga par jAnA hai, apanA svabhAv pragaT karanA hai, use dev-guru-shAstra sAthame.n hI hote hai.n. svaya.n j~nAyak paramAtmA hai, lekin sAdhak dashA hai. sAdhak dashAvAleko bIchame.n dev-guru-shAstra usake sAth (hote hai.n), unakI mahimA Aye binA rahatI hI nahI.n. nahI.n to "mai.n kuCh hU.N' use bIchame.n Aye to usakI sAdhak dashA hI nahI.n rahatI hai.