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samAdhAna- .. AtmA hai aisA andar lage to puruShArtha ho. usakI mahimA lage to. usakA svabhAv pahichAnanekA prayatna karanA. chAron pahalUse samajhAyA hai, kahIn kisIko bhUl rahe aisA nahIn hai. lagan lagAne jaisA hai.

mumukShu- .. sahaj shurU ho jAtA hai?

samAdhAna- ruchi baDhe, usakA puruShArtha kare, pahachAnanekA prayatna kare to hotA hai. ruchi baDhe to prayatna ho. antaramen aisA laganA chAhiye ki koI apUrva vastu hai. ye sab apUrva nahIn hai. ye to ananta kAlase bahut bAr milA hai. ek AtmA nahIn prApta nahIn huA. AtmA apUrva hai, aisI apUrvatA lage to prayatna ho.

gurudev apUrvatA batAte the. unakI vANImen AtmA koI apUrva hai aisA hI AtA thA. usakA bhedagnAn karake AtmAko bhinna pahachAn lenA. AtmA shAshvat hai. janma-maraN kare to bhI AtmA to svayam shAshvat hai. deh nahIn hai, AtmAko janma-maraN kuchh nahIn hai. AtmA vibhAvase bhI bhinna hai. janma-maraN kahAn AtmAko hai? AtmA Anandase bharA hai, gnAyak svarUp hai.

mumukShu- chhaThThI gAthAmen jo gnAyakadev kahA. gnAyakadevako prApta karaneke liye hamen kyA karanA?

samAdhAna- usakI bhAvanA karanI, usakI lagan karanI, usakI mahimA karanI. usako pahachAnanekA, svabhAv grahaN karanekA prayatna karanA. AtmA pragnAse grahaN karanA, pragnAse bhinna karanA. pragnAse karake antaramen lInatA karanI, vahI gurudevane mArga batAyA hai. AtmAmen ekAgratA karanI. vah na ho to tab tak usakI lagan, usakI mahimA, usakA abhyAs, bArambAr chintavan, manan, shAstrakA chintavan karanA, manan karanA vah karanA.

AtmA to shAshvat Anandase bharA hai. usakA vichAr karanA. gurudevane koI apUrva aur adbhut mArga batAyA hai aur AtmA adbhut svarUp hai. bArambAr usakA abhyAs karanA. sAr vastu AtmA hI hai. bAkI sab jagatamen prApta ho gayA hai, ek AtmA apUrva hai, vah nahIn milA hai. usakA prayatna karanA. aur aise guru mile apUrva mArga batAnevAle, isaliye apUrva AtmAko grahaN karanekA prayatna karanA.

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mumukShu- .. phirase vahIn pahunch jAte hain. usakA koI mArga batAIye.

samAdhAna- badal denA, bArambAr badal denA. bArambAr upayog palaTakar gurudevane jo kahA hai, usIkA manan, usIkA chintavan, vahI karanA. AtmA apane svabhAvase shAshvat rahanevAlA, usakA svabhAv shAshvat dhruv, usakA utpAd-vyay sab usamen hai. dUsare paradravyake paradravyamen hain. usase bhinna-nyArA hai. use pahachAn lenA. sanyog parase dRuShTi uThAkar antaramen dRuShTi karanA. antarako dekhanekI antarachakShuko pragaT karanA. bAhya chakShuse nahIn dikhegA.

mumukShu- .. vyaktiko vah karanA chAhiye, aisA main mAnatA hUn. parantu andaramense sthir nahIn huA jAtA. Ap koI rAstA batAyenge?

samAdhAna- AtmAko grahaN karake antaramen.. gaharI guphA yAnI chaitanyatattvako pahichAna. usakA svabhAv pahachAnakar andar lInatA kare to jA sakatA hai. puruShArthakI mandatA ho to jA nahIn sakatA. puruShArthakI ugratA ho to jA sakatA hai. AtmAko pIchhAnanA ki AtmA kaun?

pahale bhedagnAn kare ki ye sharIr bhinna aur AtmA bhinna. vibhAvasvabhAv apanA nahIn hai. aise bhedagnAn kare. chaitanyatattvako pahale nyArA-bhinna pahachAne ki main chaitanyatattva bhinna hUn. main gnAyak svabhAv, Ananda svabhAvase bharA huA ek tattva hUn. us tattvako barAbar antaramense grahaN karake phir usamen lInatA kare to usamen jA sakatA hai. pahale amuk prakArase jA sakatA hai, kyonki amuk prakArakI pahale ekatvabuddhi TUTatI hai. bhedagnAn hotA hai ki main bhinna hUn aur yah vibhAvasvabhAv bhinna hai. usakA bhedagnAn karake usamen ekAgratA kare, dhyAn kare to usamen use shAnti aur Ananda prApta hotA hai. parantu jab tak amuk prakArase asthiratA ho to vah bAhar AtA hai. parantu bArambAr-bArambAr usamen jAnekA abhyAs kare to jA sakatA hai. puruShArtha kare.

pahale AtmAkA astitva grahaN kare. to usamen sthir ho. astitva grahaN kiye binA sthir kahAn hogA? isaliye pahale apanA astitva grahaN kare ki main yah chaitanya gnAyakatattva so main hUn. is prakAr usakA astitva barAbar grahaN ho to usamen sthiratA ho, to usamen dhyAn ho.

mumukShu- dUsarI ek bAt yah hai ki darshan, gnAn, chAritra ye tIn vastu mokShakA mArga hai. darshan aur gnAna. to vAnchan, satsamAgam aur us prakArase AtmAko prApta kar sakate hain. bAhya rItase arthAt main aisA kahatA hUn ki Agamake vAnchanase, shAstronke vAnchanase aur satpuruShonke samAgamase vah ho sakatA hai. aur chAritra hai.. apane yahAn mujhe aisA lagA hai ki chAritra par kam vajan diyA jAtA hai.

samAdhAna- yathArtha samyagdarshan aur gnAn prApta nahIn huA hai. chAritra yAnI bAharakI

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mAtra kriyAen bahut bAr kI hai. kriyA karI, sab tyAg kiyA, chhoD diyA aisA jIvane anek bAr kiyA. aur muni banakar jangalamen rahA. parantu yadi AtmAkA gnAn nahIn huA hai to aisI kriyA karake, shubhabhAv karake devalok prApta huA, bahut milA parantu bhavakA abhAv nahIn huA.

ata gurudevane aisA mArga batAte the ki tU yathArtha apUrva AtmA hai, use pahachAna. usako pahachAnakar andar jo chAritra pragaT hogA vah yathArtha antaramense hogA. bAhya kriyA aur bAhya chAritra tUne ananta bAr kiyA hai. aur karake naumvI graiveyak gayA hai, devalokamen. parantu bhavakA abhAv yA AtmAkI prApti, samyagdarshan prApta nahIn huA. isaliye tU AtmAko pIchhAna. antaramen samyagdarshan aur gnAn bhI bAharase nahIn AtA hai. usake samajhaneke liye dev-guru-shAstrakA sAnnidhya hote hain, usake nimitta hote hain, parantu karanA to svayamko paDatA hai. mAtra bAharakA gnAn vah koI gnAn nahIn hai, vah to visheSh jAnaneke liye, shAstragnAn AtmAko pIchhAnaneke liye bIchamen vah shAstragnAn hotA hai.

nishchay to antaramen AtmAko pahachAne, antaramen AtmAko bhinna karake samyagdarshan (pragaT kare). main yah chaitanya hUn, yah main nahIn hUn, aise svayam bhedagnAn kare, usakA gnAn kare. antaramen AtmAko pahachAne vah gnAn aur AtmAkI svAnubhUti ho vah darshana. aise darshan aur gnAn ananta kAlamen prApta nahIn hue. isaliye usakI mukhyatA rakhakar darshan, gnAn antaramense kaise prApta ho, vah yadi antaramense prApta ho vah apUrva vastu hai, to usamen chAritra yathArtha AtA hai. aur vah chAritra use antaramen sahaj puruShArthase aise prApta hotA hai ki antaramen svAnubhUti aisI prApta ho ki kShaN-kShaNamen antaramen chalA jAy, bAhar rukanA bhI use mushkil ho jAya. phir use gRuhasthAshram bhI suhAtA nahIn, isaliye vah muni banakar chalA jAtA hai. is prakAr antaramen svAnubhUtimen bArambAr jhulate-jhulate aisI chAritradashA prApta hotI hai. aur vahI vAstavik chAritra hai.

vartamAnamen jo bAten karate hain, AtmA koI apUrva hai, usakI prApti kaise ho usakI bAten chalatI hai. kyonki chAritradashA bAharase kriyAkA tyAg to anek bAr huA hai. parantu antaramen jo apUrvatA AtmAkI laganI chAhiye vah lagI nahIn. isaliye darshan, gnAnako mukhyatA kI, usakA kAraN yah hai ki usase bhavakA abhAv hotA hai. phikShar chAritra jo AtA hai vah yathArtha chAritra AtA hai. mAtra bAharakA chAritra ananta kAlamen bahut bAr kiyA hai.

aur ye jo darshan aur gnAn hai, usake sAth amuk jAtakA chAritra svarUpAcharaN to AtA hai. jise antaramen AtmA ruche use bAharakA ruchatA nahIn. use antaramense virakti A jAtI hai. bAharakA sab kArya kare to usakA maryAdit hotA hai. usake kaShAy Adi

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sab bAharakA maryAdit ho jAtA hai. vah ekatvabuddhi tanyamatAse vah nahIn karatA hai, usakA ras, ruchi TUT jAtA hai. use AtmAkI hI ruchi lagatI hai ki ye kuchhakarane jaisA nahIn hai. use upAdey nahIn lagatA hai. AtmAko hI angIkAr karanA, aisI usakI antarakI ruchi badal jAtI hai.

isaliye pahale mukhya samyagdarshan AtmAkI svAnubhUti ho to usamen yathArtha chAritra AtA hai. aur vah chAritra, sachchA munipanA aur sachchA kevalagnAn usamense pragaT hotA hai. bAhya kriyA to bahut bAr kI hai. ananta kAlamen aise veSh dhAraN kar liyA. abhI dekho to tyAg lekar bahut log nIkal paDate hain. parantu antaramen AtmAko pahachAne binA mAtra bAhya kriyA, mAtra shAstrase bole. abhI jo bolate hain, AtmA kaise prApta ho? usakI sab bAten chalatI hain. aur shAstrakI vah bAten karatA hai. antaramen karanA (hai). kyonki samyagdarshan prApta karanA vah bhI durlabh hai. isaliye usakA puruShArtha karaneke liye usakI bhAvanA, usakA puruShArtha, usakI lagan aur antaramen sab use nisAr lage. sArabhUt AtmA hai. ruchi palaT jAtI hai.

antaramense use tyAg ho jAtA hai. antarakA tyAga. phir bAharakA tyAg Ate-Ate vah to usakA jaisA puruShArtha ho, vaisA ho. samyagdarshan jise prApta ho, usamen kisIko turanta chAritra A jAy, kisIko der lage. koI chakravartI gRuhasthAshramamen ho use bAharase chAritra na ho to chAritra Anemen der lage. parantu antaramense bhinna hI hote hain. phir chAritra Aye tab chhoDakar chale jAte hain. antaramense svAnubhUtikI dashA aisI prApta ho jAy ki sab chhUT jAtA hai. aisA hotA hai. aur vah sachchA munipanA hai.

aisA to chakravartI chhoDakar chale jAte hain, tIrthankar chhoDakar chale jAte hain. parantu vah antarakA chAritra AtA hai ki jisase bhavakA abhAv hotA hai. bAhya tyAgase to kyA? aise shubhabhAv to bahut bAr kiyA hai aur puNyabandha huA aur devalokamen gayA. usase bhavakA abhAv nahIn hotA. isaliye gurudevane mukhya mArga batAyA hai ki bhavakA abhAv kaise ho?

mumukShu- bahinashrI! gurudev, Ap kadAchit Ap do hI vyakti aisI hain ki jinhonne kuchh siddhi kI hai. to vartamAnamen jitane bhI log is viShayako mAnate hain, usamense dUsare logonko asar honI chAhiye. lohemense pArasamaNi honA chAhiye. us dRuShTise apane vichAr kare to abhI jo asar huyI hai, us viShayamen Apake kyA vichAr hain? isakI asar, vichAraNA,... dharma hai vah vichAraNA hai, aur yah vichAraNA jo mahArAj sAhabane kI hai, usakI asar andar Utarakar samAjamen dekhen to koI khAs visheSh huyI ho aisA Apako lagatA hai? kyonki... milate honge.

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samAdhAna- gurudev to mArga batAye. jo sAdhanA karate hain vah mArga batAte hain. usamen jisakI jitanI yogyatA ho us anusAr asar hotI hai. dUsarA koI tIre yA na tIre, sachchA mArga... gurudev jaise jAge ve mArga batAye. dUsaronko asar honI, vah usakI yogyatA AdhArit hai. bahut jIv aise hain, jisakI ruchi to palaT jAtI hai. jo ruchi palaT jAtI hai, jo mAnyatA palaT jAtI hai, akelI kriyAmen dharma mAnate the, usamense dharma koI alag hai, aisI ruchi to bahut logonkI palaT jAtI hai. bAkI AcharaN kaisA ho, vah (yogyatA par nirbhar karatA hai). parantu antar ruchi palaT jAy aise to bahut jIv hote hain.

mumukShu- ye jo jainIjham hai, usamen itanI tarahake hain, ki ham jo yuvA varga hai, hamen bahut bAr samajhamen nahIn AtA hai. kyonki itane gUT ho gaye hain ki ham yuvA vargako samajhamen nahIn AtA hai.

samAdhAna- (jainadarshan) bhinna-bhinna nahIn hai, gUT ho to bhI. bAharake gUTako ek or rakh do. antaramen bhedagnAn karake AtmAko pahachAnanA vah ek hI mArga hai. gurudevane vah kahA hai aur shAstramen vah AtA hai. andaramen svAnubhUti karake AtmAko bhinna jAnanA, bhedagnAn karake usamen lInatA karanI, usamen pratIt karanI vahI muktikA mArga hai. dUsarA koI muktikA mArga nahIn hai. usamen bIchamen sachche dev-guru-shAstra shubh pariNAmamen hote hain. andar shuddhAtmA-AtmAko bhinna pIchhAnanA. usakI pratIt, usakI lInatA, usakI svAnubhUti kaise ho, usakA prayatna karanA, vah ek hI mArga hai, dUsarA koI mArga nahIn hai.

mumukShu- lekin jainijhamamen kyon sab ek nahIn sakate? kyonki jab tak ham ek nahIn honge, tab tak ek prakArase sosAyaTImen asar to hotI hI hai na. ham sosoyaTIke taur par, ham sab baniye kahalAyen, jain kahalAyen, jainonkA ek panth ho jAy to hamAre deshako phAyadA hogA. .. usamen to koI shankA hai hI nahIn. parantu sAth-sAth sosAyaTImen jo log rahate hain, unakA kuchh phAyadA honA chAhiye na. ham log hI jainamen gUT banAyenge aur kahenge ki...

samAdhAna- .. svayam apanA kar sakatA hai. bAharakA honA, nahIn honA vah (apane hAthakI bAt nahIn hai). pratyek dravya svatantra hain. koI dravyako badalanA apane hAthakI bAt nahIn hai. baDe mahApuruSh hon, ve bhI upadesh dekar chale jAte hain. kisIko badalanA apane hAthakI bAt nahIn hai.

gurudevane sabako upadesh diyA. unake upadeshakA aisA nimitta ki kitanonkA upAdAn badal gayA. dUsareko koI badal sake, vah kisIke hAthakI bAt nahIn hai. pratyek dravya svatantra hain. koI samAjako ham badal sake, vah koI hAthakI bAt nahIn hai. vah to

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svatantra hai. kaise badalanA vah koI dravya kisIko kuchh kar nahIn sakatA. mAtra svayam bhAv kare. use upadesh dekar chhUT jAy, bAkI use badal sake, kisIkA nahIn kar sakatA. svayam apanA kar sakatA hai. mahA tIrthankar ho gaye, ve upadesh dete hain. bAkI pratyek dravya svatantrarUpase badalate hain. kisIko badal nahIn sakate. kuchh bAharakA karanA vah kisIke hAthakI bAt nahIn hai.

mumukShu- .. ashuddha hai, aisA kahanemen AtA hai. anAdise yAnI usakI shurUAt nahIn hai, tabase vah ashuddha hai. .. koI kAlamen, kisI paristhitimen vah ashuddha huyI aur vah ashuddha ho gayA hai, use apane prayatna kare...

samAdhAna- anAdise ashuddha hai. dravya shuddha hai, parantu paryAyamen ashuddhatA hai. yadi shuddha ho aur bAdamen ashuddha ho, aisA nahIn hotA. jo shuddha vastu ho vah ashuddha kaise ho? dravyase shuddha hai, parantu paryAyamen ashuddhatA hai. yadi shuddha ho aur bAdamen ashuddha ho to phir shuddha hokar ashuddha ban jAy, aise hI shuddha aur ashuddha chalatA rahe.? mukti honeke bAd kabhI ashuddha hotA hI nahIn. anAdikA ashuddha. jaise suvarNa, anAdi kAlase jaise suvarNa aur pAShAN donon khAnamen ikaTThe hote hain. bAdamen use tAp denese bhinna paD jAte hain.

aise jIv dravyase shuddha hai, parantu paryAyamen jo ashuddhatA hai vah anAdise hai. parantu usakA puruShArtha karanese AtmAkI shuddha paryAy pragaT hotI hai. pudagal vastu bhI vaise suvarNa aur pAShAN ikaTThe hote hain to use tAp dete-dete bhinna ho jAte hain.

vaise AtmA aur karma anAdise sAthamen hain. usamen jIvako paryAyamen ashuddhatA huyI hai. parantu puruShArthakA tAp denese vah shuddha paryAyarUp (pariNamatA hai). phir shuddha suvarNa ban jAy phir kabhI pAShANamen mishrit nahIn ho jAtA. shuddha ho jAneke bAd, mukta honeke bAd puna sansAr nahIn hotA.

makkhan Upar jAy, phir usakA ghI bane to phirase ghIkA makkhan nahIn banatA. vaise suvarNa aur pAShAN ekasAth hai, vaise jIv aur karma anAdise sAthamen hI hain aur jIvakI paryAyamen ashuddhatA hai. dravya-vastu, mUl vastumen ashuddhatAkA pravesh nahIn huA hai. to-to shuddha hove hI nahIn. dravya mUlamen ashuddhatA nahIn hai, parantu paryAyamen-usakI avasthAmen ashuddhatA hai.

mumukShu- aur vah anAdise hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, anAdise hai.

mumukShu- anAdise ho to phir paryAy bhI...

samAdhAna- (paryAyamen) ashuddhatA hai, vastumen nahIn hai. paryAy hai isaliye palaT sakatI

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hai, badal sakatI hai. suvarNa jo ashuddha hai, lekin use tAp deenese suvarNa shuddha hotA hai. vaise puruShArtha karanese AtmAmen shuddha paryAy pragaT hotI hai.

mumukShu- isaliye dUsare dharmase yah ek alag bAt hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, alag bAt hai.

mumukShu- ki AtmA hI, ved dharma ginatA hai ki AtmA hI hai aur anAdi hai, ananta hai, aisA ginate hain. parantu paryAy...

samAdhAna- puruShArtha karake svAnubhUti pragaT ho aur kevalagnAn ho, bAdamen ashuddhatA hotI hI nahIn. aisA vastukA svabhAv hI hai.