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mumukShu- gurudev mil, ApakI itanI kRupA hai, is ..

samAdhAna- sab kriyAse dharma hogA, isamen paDe the. thoDI sAmAyik kare aur pratikramaN kare isaliye dharma ho gayA, aisA mAnate the. aur koI upavAs kare to dharma ho gayA, aisA mAnate the. gurudevane antarakI dRuShTi batAyI.

mumukShu- samAjakI yahI sthiti thI.

samAdhAna- samAjamen aisA hI thA. sthAnakavAsI, derAvAsI, digambarommen bhI aisA thA. thoDI bAharase kriyA Adi kare, shuddhi-ashuddhi, isaliye usamen dharma mAn lete the.

mumukShu- tInon sampradAyamen aisA hI thA. digambar nAm mAtra thA shAstramen. ve log bhI kriyAkANDamen chaD gaye the.

samAdhAna- usamen samayasAr thA, lekin koI dekhatA nahIn thA. paDhanA gurudevane sIkhAyA. usake artha gurudevane sulajhAye. tattvArtha sUtra Adi paDhate the. derAvAsImen raT lete the. nau tattva aur guNasthAn Adi raT lete the.

mumukShu- shvetAmbaramen bhI vahI thA. raT lete the, pATh kanThastha kar lete the.

samAdhAna- hAn, pATh kanThastha kar lete the.

mumukShu- gurudevane to bahut khullA kar diyA.

samAdhAna- bahut khullA kiyA. antarakI dRuShTi batAyI. utpAd, vyay, dhruv Adi sab shAstramen AtA thA, koI samajhatA nahIn thA. AtmA jAnanevAlA hai, gnAyak hai, bhedagnAn hotA hai, svAnubhUti hotI hai, koI samajhatA nahIn thA.

mumukShu- shabda kisIne sune nahIn the. bhAvako ek or rakho.

samAdhAna- mokSha to Upar siddha shilAmen jAy tab mokSha ho, aisA sab mAnate the. mokSha hotA hai. svAnubhUtikA ansh pragaT ho, vahI mokSha hai. aur pUrNa ho tab antarame bhAvase mokSha ho jAtA hai.

mumukShu- bAten sunI hai, lekin hamAre liye koI prayojan nahIn hai. Apane kahA, usake AsapAs Tel lagAnI. usakA vistRutikaraNa. hamen to vahI chAhiye, hamArI bhUmikAmen.

samAdhAna- svAnubhUtikA ansh pragaT hotA hai, vah nirvikalpa dashA hotI hai tab

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hotA hai. usake pahale main gnAyak hUn, gnAyak hUn, aisA bArambAr usakA raTan karate rahanA. vah Tahel mAranI hai. vikalpa jo AtA hai, vah vikalpa merA svarUp nahIn hai. vikalpase bhI main bhinna hUn. shubh manda yA tIvra jo-jo vibhAv Aye un sabase bhinna main chaitanya hUn. main chaitanya hUn, chaitanya hUn, bArambAr usakI mahimA, usakI lagana. bArambAr antaramen vah raTan rahanA chAhiye ki main gnAyak hUn. main vikalpa rahit nirvikalpa tattva hUn aur vikalpa chhUT jAT to bhI meremen hI sab bharA hai. bAharamen nahIn hai. vikalpa chhUT jAy isaliye svayam shUnya nahIn ho jAtA hai. parantu antaramen jo bharA hai vah pragaT hotA hai. isaliye meremen ek gnAnamAtra-gnAyakamAtra AtmAmen sab sarvasva hai. aise bArambAr usakI bhAvanA, usakA raTan, usakA vichAr, usakA vAnchan Adi karane jaisA hai. gnAyakake Anganamen Tahel lagAne jaisI hai, bArambAra.

mumukShu- vAnchan, vichAr karane par puna bhedake rAste par chaDh jAtA hai. anAdikI Adat hai us par jAnekI.

samAdhAna- bhedake rAste par chaDh jAy to bhI bArambAr apanI or lakShya karate rahanA. kyonki kahIn na kahIn rukatA to hai. jabatak antaramen lIn nahIn huA hai, antaramen dRuShTi nahIn gayI hai, tabatak use kahIn na kahIn ghumatA rahatA hai. isaliye kahIn khaDA to rahatA hai. parantu shraddhA aur ruchi us or rakhanI ki gnAyak, gnAyakamen sab hai. in sabamen rukane jaisA nahIn hai. vah to bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahatA. parantu shraddhA to gnAyakakI rakhanI ki nirvikalpa tattva shuddhAtmA gnAyak main hUn. ye sab to usamen rah nahIn pAtA hUn, isaliye vah sab Aye binA nahIn rahatA.

mumukShu- antaramen vah pratIti nahIn AtI hai. main paripUrNa hUn, meremen sab hai. yah vishvAs, nA jAne kyon vishvAs nahIn AtA hai. dUsarI sab vastuonkA vishvAs (AtA hai), sonekA, jhavAharAtakA, phalAnekA sabakA vishvAs AtA hai, parantu isI kShaNamen meremen sab bharA hai, (yah vishvAs nahIn AtA hai).

samAdhAna- dUsarA sab dikhatA hai, yah dikhAI nahIn detA hai. (isaliye) use andaramen vishvAs UD jAtA hai. parantu usamen sab hai. svayam vichAr karake, gurudev kahate hain, dev-guru-shAstra kahate hain, parantu svayam vichAr karake nakkI kare to usImen sab bharA hai.

gurudev kahate the na? chhoTIpIpar ghisate-ghisate usamen-se charaparAI nikalatI hai. vaise gnAyak hUn, gnAyak hUn kare, usImen sab bharA hai, usamen-se svabhAv pragaT hotA hai. chhAchhako bArambAr bilotA rahe to usamen-se makkhan bhinna ho jAtA hai. aise bArambAr bhedagnAn (kare). bArambAr main bhinna hUn, bhinna hUn, aisA bArambAr kare to, jaise makkhan bhinna ho jAtA hai,

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vaise bhinna to hai hI, parantu pragaTarUpase bhinna paD jAtA hai.

mumukShu- bahut sundar bAt hai. bArambAr yah abhyAs karake bhinna paDanekA prayatna (karanA), sab AgamakA sAr kahen to yah ek hI hai.

samAdhAna- yah ek hI hai.

mumukShu- prayojanabhUt dravya-guN-paryAyakA gnAn karake, gnAnake pahalU adhik spaShTa na kare, .. gnAnamen ho jAtI ho, sUkShmapane tattvagnAnakA koI bhI viShay ho usakA nirNay na kar sakatA ho athavA usakA vah vishleShaN nahIn kar sakatA ho, parantu mUlabhUt tattvako jAnakar usase bhedagnAn karanekA prayatna kare to ho sakatA hai?

samAdhAna- ho sakatA hai. mUlabhUt prayojanabhUt tattva-main gnAyak hUn, aisA nakkI karake ye vibhAv main nahIn hUn, main anAdiananta shAshvat dravya ananta guNase bharA huA aur kShaN-kShaNamen palaTe vah paryAy, bas! itanA gnAn karake apanI or jAy to usamen koI visheSh gnAn na ho to usamen kuchh jarUrat nahIn paDatI.

mumukShu- gote hI khAte hain na. ham vahAn hai. ham yAnI hamAre sab bhAI. kShayopasham gnAnamen khaDe hain, ...

samAdhAna- sabakA prayojan ek hI hai ki bhedagnAn karanA.

mumukShu- bhAI kahate hain, jUThe hI gote khAte hain. viShay banAte hain, parantu itanA to gurudev dekar gaye hain.

samAdhAna- kitanA diyA hai. bhedagnAnakA prayojan hai.

mumukShu- vah karatA nahIn hai aur bAten karatA rahatA hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, aisA hai, vaisA hai, aisA hai, aisA hai.

mumukShu- kramabaddhaparyAyamen ulajh jAya. use ulajhanA hai, aTakanA hai isaliye kahIn na kahIn...

samAdhAna- kahIn-kahIn aTak jAtA hai. prayojan gnAyakako pragaT karanA vah hai.

mumukShu- samay-samay usakA..

samAdhAna- usakA raTan rakhane jaisA hai.

mumukShu- kyA bAkI hai? usamen kyA samajhanA hai?

samAdhAna- samayasAramen AtA hai ki gnAnamAtra AtmA, aisI tU ruchi kar, aisI prIti kar, usamen usIkA anubhav kar to usamen-se pragaT (hotA hai). jitanA gnAnamAtra hai utanA hI main hUn. jitanA gnAnamAtra vahI main hUn. "isamen sadA rativant ban, isamen sadA santuShTa re.' usamen tU santuShTa ho. usImen sab hai, usamen santuShTa ho. usamen sadA santuShTa ho, usImen-se sab pragaT hogA. "isase hI ban tU tRupta, uttam saukhya ho jisase tujhe.' usamen

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tU tRupta ho, usImen sab hai.

phir nirNay na ho to chAron orakA vichAr kare, parantu prayojan to ek gnAyakakA hai. jo hogA sab A jAyagA. usamen shuddhAtmAkI paryAy shuddha pariNamegI. ansh pariNamegA, usamen bhedagnAn hogA, usamen Asrav, samvar sab A jAyagA. vah to sahaj A jAyagA. parantu ek gnAyakako grahaN kar to usamen sab AyagA.

sAdhakadashAmen jo ho vah sab A jAtA hai. usakI visheSh shuddhi hotI hai, nirjarA hotI hai aur usamen visheSh lIn ho to vItarAgatA kevalagnAn hotA hai. usamen munidashA (AtI hai). gnAyakamen hI sab hai. svAnubhUtimen. aur vah svAnubhUti bhI gnAyakako grahaN karane-se hI hotI hai. gnAyakako grahaN karake usakI bhedagnAnakI dhArA, gnAyakakI dhArA sahaj karatA jAy to usamen svAnubhUti bhI usI mArgamen hotI hai-gnAyakako grahaN karanese. grahaN nahIn hotA hai, isaliye usake chAron or vikalpa dauDate rahate hain. gnAyakako grahaN karanA.

mumukShu- vartamAnamen, ham sab bhAI yahAn baiThe hain, ham jo kuchh sunate hain, ... sunate hain parantu aise mukhase sunate hain ki jo gnAnI nahIn hai. usamen ham dUsare rAste par chaDh jAyen (to)? kyonki hamen sAmane jo prarupaNA (karate hain), ham jinako sunate hain, vah prarUpaNA karanevAle gnAnI to hai nahIn, gnAnIke vachanAmRut hai, parantu gnAnIke vachanAmRut sirpha paDhate nahIn hai, usake hRudayamen jo kuchh vichAr Ate hain vah hamAre sAmane pradarshit karatA hai. kyonki gurudevakI vANI svatantra rUpase vichAranekI shakti kisIkI hotI hai, sabakI nahIn hotI. ... AdhyAtmik prarUpaNA hotI ho aur usamense..

samAdhAna- jo sachchA mumukShu hotA hai, jise sat grahaN karanA hai vah kahIn rukatA nahIn. vah sachchA nirNay kar letA hai. vah sunane Aye usamen jise jignAsA hotI hai ki mujhe AtmAkA (hit) karanA hai, gnAyakakA bhedagnAn karanA hai, vah kahIn rukatA nahIn, satya grahaN kar letA hai.

mumukShu- Apane kahA thA, mumukShu bhale sachchA mumukShu na kahen, main jo bAt karatA hUn, parantu vah mumukShu gnAnake lobhase, gurudevane kahA hai ki vah svayam to nayA hai athavA purAnA ho, jo bhI ho, parantu abhI use gnAnamen pUrA pakaDamen nahIn AyA ho. aur prarUpaNA aisI AtI ho ki use aisA lage ki yah gurudevakI hI vANI hai aur gnAnakA lobh hai. karane jaisA to Apane kahA utanA hI, adhik jAnanekI koI AvashyakatA nahIn hai. mujhe to aisA lagatA hai, kuchh sunanekI jarUrat nahIn hai, gurudevakI Tepake alAvA aur Apane kahA ki apane andar AsapAs chakkar lagAtA rah, vahI kAm karane jaisA hai. chaubIs ghaNTe ek hI kAm, jitanA samay mile usamen satakA sang arthAt antarakA

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jo sang hai usIkA sang karane jaisA hai. gnAnake lobhase anAdikI Adat hai, kuchh- kuchh nayA-nayA jAnanekI, naye nyAy usamen phisal jAtA hai. ... spaShTa kahUn to ham to banda kar denA chAhiye. mujhe to aisA hotA hai ki banda kar denA chAhiye. yadi aisA lagatA ho to. muumukShumen utanI lAyakAt na ho ki usamen-se vah satya nikAl sake. utanA gnAnakA kShayopasham bhI na ho.

samAdhAna- bAharake sanyogamen main kyA kahUn? svayam apanA samajh lenA. svayamko nukasAn hotA hai aisA lage to svayamko apanA samajh lenA. aisA lage ki mujhe nukasAn ho rahA hai, vyaktigatarUpase, to svayamko nukasAn hotA ho to chhoD denA. bAkI bAharake sanyogamen sabako ruche aisA kare, usamen main hAn-nA kaise kahUn? svayamko apane liye samajh lenA ki mujhe nukasAn hotA hai. sachchA jignAsu kahe ki main jahAn-tahAn ruk jAtA hUn ki yahAn-se jAnU, yahAn-se jAnU aisA kar-karake ruk jAtA hUn, mujhe ulajhan hUn, usake bajAy gurudevakI vANImen-se main satya samajhu, is tarah sirpha apane liye ho to svayam chhoD denA, apane liye.

samAdhAna- ... prakAsh aur andhakAr, kitanA pharka hai. prakAsh prakAsh .. agnikI kriyA uShNatArUp hI hotI hai. barphakI kriyA ThaNDakarUp hotI hai, donon ek nahIn ho sakate. pAnIkI shItalatA aur agnikI uShNatA ek nahIn hote. sthUl dRuShTAnta hai.

vaise gnAn gnAnarUp aur krodh krodharUp (rahate hain). lekin svayam hI usamen tanmay hai. parantu svayam svayamko jAn nahIn sakatA hai. paryAy aisI bAhar bhaTakatI rahatI hai. bAharakI pariNatike kAraN antaramen dekhatA nahIn hai. Dor, gnAnakI Dor kahAn-se AyI hai us mUl talako dekhatA nahIn hai. ... dekhanemen tanmay ho jAtA hai. bhale AkulatA AkulatAmen bAharakA dekhatA rahatA hai.

log darpaNamen dekhe na ki darpaNamen kyA dikhatA hai? usamen chitra-vichitratA dekhate hain. parantu darpaN ekasamAn hai, us ekasamAn darpaN par dRuShTike jAneke bajAy log darpaNamen kyA-kyA dikhatA hai, (vah dekhanemen ruk jAte haiain). jIvako anAdise aisA bhram ho gayA hai ki ye gney kyA hai? parantu usamen ekasamAn kyA hai? kisamen yah gnAt hotA hai? yah vastu kyA hai? usakA log vichAr karaneke bajAy, darpaNamen dikhatA kyA hai? anek jAtakI vastuen dikhatI hai, un vastuonko dekhanemen paD jAtA hai.

chiDiyA usamen dekhe to dUsarI chiDiyA kahAn-se A gayI? chiDiyAko dekhane lag jAtA hai. lekin yah bIchamen darpaN jaD hai, use nahIn dekhatA. chiDiyA usImen chonch mAratA hai. andar kyA dikhatA hai, usImen bhaTakatA rahatA hai. parantu kisamen dikhatA hai aur kyA vastu hai? use koI nahIn dekhatA. usamen anek prakArake gneyonko dekhaneke bhramamen,

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kisamen dikhatA hai aur yah vastu kyA hai? aisI kaun-sI kimatI vastumen dikhAI detA hai? use nahIn dekhatA. ye sab dikhatA hai usake bhramake ghoTAlamen paDA hai.

chiDiyA Aye to ye dUsarA kyA dikhatA hai? chiDiyAkI buddhi kAm nahIn karatI hai. usake sAth jhaghaDA kar-karake mAnon dUsarI chiDiyA A gayI hai, aisA use ho jAtA hai. vastu hai ki jisamen yah sab dikhAI detA hai.

... jAnanekA hai use nahIn dekhatA hai, ye sab chitra-vichitratAmen tanmay ho gayA hai. chitra-vichitratAmen bhale hI thak jAy, AkulatA ho, to bhI usImen lagA rahatA hai. ... lekin kuchh mAlUm nahIn paDatA hai ki yah main. bAhar sab.... tU hI hai, lekin tere gnAnako tU bAhar lene jA rahA hai. Ananda terA hai aur tU lene jA rahA bAhar, aisA karatA hai.

AdamI jitanA dekh sake utanA tanmay hokar ek-ek dekhe utanA dekh nahIn sakatA. bhinna huA AdamI, nyArA huA hai vah jyAdA dekh sakatA hai. shIkhar par AdamI khaDA ho vah jyAdA dekh sakatA hai. vaise gnAnake shikhar par khaDA hai, vah bhinna ho to jyAdA dekh sakatA hai, lekin vah jAnatA nahIn hai. shikhar par A nahIn pAtA. gnAnamen mahimA nahIn AtI hai. gneyakI mahimA AtI hai, aisI gnAnakI mahimA nahIn AtI hai. gnAn arthAt jAnanA. gnAnakI mahimA nahIn AtI hai. vah vibhinnatA dikhatI hai usakI mahimA AtI hai. vibhinnatA (dekhatA hai), lekin andar khaDA to rah, usamen kaisA hai? usakA tU nishchay to kara. usImen sab hai, sab vibhinnatA usamen hai. lekin vah bAhar (jAtA hai), use vishvAs nahIn AtA hai. arUpI chaitanyadravyakA vishvAs nahIn AtA hai.

... kuchh agnAt nahIn rahegA. jAnaneke liye vyartha prayatna karatA hai. andarakA svaghar bhI gnAt hogA aur sab gnAt hogA. kuchh agnAt nahIn rahegA, lekin use bAhar hI vyartha prayatna karanA hai. jAnanekA svabhAv hai isaliye sab jAnanA hai. gneyake bhed kar- karake jAnanA hai. itanA bAharakA jAnanekA (ras hai), bAharase jAnaneko Akul-vyAkUl (hotA hai).