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mumukShu- dravya paryAyamen AtA nahIn, vah kaise?

samAdhAna- dravya paryAyamen nahIn AtA arthAt dravya hai vah dravyasvarUp hI hai. dravyakA svarUp shAshvat anAdiananta hai aur paryAy hai vah kShaNik hai. vah paryAy palaT jAtI hai. dravya, paryAyakI bhAnti kShaN-kShaNamen palaTe aisA dravya nahIn hai. dravya paryAyamen AtA nahIn arthAt dravya kahIn kShaN-kShaNamen palaTatA nahIn hai. dravya to ek sarIkhA rahatA hai aur paryAy to palaTatI hai. isaliye dravya paryAyamen is tarah nahIn AtA.

bAkI paryAy hai vah dravyakA svarUp hai. dravya, guN aur paryAy tInon milakar dravyakA svarUp hai. lekin vah paryAy pratikShaN palaTatI hai. parantu dravya palaTatA nahIn hai. isaliye dravya paryAyamen nahIn AtA. dravya anAdiananta hai aur paryAy palaTatI rahatI hai. parantu vah paryAy dravyake Ashray-se hotI hai. paryAy kahIn nirAdhAr nahIn hotI hai. paryAy dravyake Ashray-se hI hotI hai, paryAy dravyamen hI hotI hai.

svabhAvaparyAy jo dravyake Alamban-se hotI hai, jo ananta guNonkI gnAnakI paryAy ho, AnandakI paryAy ho vah sab shuddhAtmAke-dravyake Ashrayase hotI hai. aur vibhAv jo hotA hai vah apane puruShArthakI mandatA-se hotI hai, vibhAvik paryAya. parantu vah vibhAvakI paryAy apanA svabhAv nahIn hai. usakA aur svayamkA bhAvabhed hai. apanA svabhAv alag aur vibhAvaparyAyakA svabhAv bhinna hai. isaliye usakA bhAvabhed hai. isaliye usase bhedagnAn karatA hai ki ye jo vibhAvakA AkulatAyukta bhAv hai, vah merA svabhAv nahIn hai. svabhAv bhinna hai. puruShArthakI mandatA-se usakI paryAy hotI hai, parantu vah paryAy vibhAv hai, vah bhAv bhinna hai. usakA bhAv bhinna hai aur merA bhAv bhinna hai. usase bhedagnAn karatA hai. puruShArtha tIvra ho to vah vibhAvaparyAy chhUT jAtI hai aur svabhAv paryAy pragaT hotI hai.

mumukShu- puruShArtha arthAt jaisA hUn vaisA ahambhAv honA chAhiye?

samAdhAna- svabhAv jaisA hai, vaisA use grahaN karanA chAhiye ki yah main hUn. usakA astitva grahaN karanA chAhiye. vikalparUp-se ki yah main hUn, aisA nahIn, parantu jo gnAnakI dhArA chal rahI hai, vah gnAn chal rahA hai, us gnAnako dharanevAlA ek


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chaitanya hai, us chaitanyako grahaN karanA.

jo andar main, main ho rahA hai, vikalparUp nahIn, parantu vah jo gnAnakA astitva hai, jo sabako jAnanevAlA hai, jo ananta kAl gayA athavA svayam chhoTe-se baDA huA, vah sab bhAv to chale gaye, parantu usako jAnanevAlA to vaisA hI hai. dhArAvAhI jAnanevAlA hai. chhoTA thA, phir kyA huA, jo vichAr Aye, gaye, un sabako jAnanevAlA to dhArAvAhI aisA hI hai. us jAnanevAlekA jo astitva hai vah main hUn. jAnanevAlA main hUn. bAharakA jAnA isaliye jAnanevAlA hUn, aisA nahIn, parantu main jAnanevAlA svayam jAnanevAlA hI hUn. jAnanevAlekA astitva grahaN karanA.

.. Ashray-se hotI hai, parantu paryAy jitanA dravya nahIn hai. paryAy kShaNik hai, ansh hai. aur dravya hai so to anshI hai. ananta paryAyarUp dravya pariNamatA hai aur paryAy to palaTatI rahatI hai. aur dravya to anAdiananta ekasarIkhA hai. ata ansh jitanA dravya nahIn hai. dravya to pUrA anshI anAdiananta ananta-ananta svabhAv-se bharA hai. ananta svabhAv-se bharA hai.

mumukShu- ananta guN jo kahanemen AtA hai, vah kyA hai?

samAdhAna- ananta guN kaho, ananta svabhAv kaho, vah sab ek hai.

mumukShu- dravya niShkriy kaise hai?

samAdhAna- dravya niShkriy arthAt pAriNAmikabhAvakI apekShA-se vah kriyAvAn hai. usamen pariNati hotI hai. pratyek guNonkI paryAy (hotI hai). gnAnakA kArya gnAnarUp Aye, AnandakA kArya AnandarUp AtA hai. pratyek guNakA kArya usamen Ate hI rahatA hai. kevalagnAnIko kevalagnAn hotA hai, lokAlokako jAne vah sab gnAnakA kArya AtA hai. kevalagnAnI AnandarUp pariNamate hain, AnandakA kArya Ave. us apekShA-se dravya sakriy hai. parantu vah kriyA aisI nahIn hai ki vah dravya sarva prakAr-se kriyAtmak hai.

svayam anAdiananta niShkriy hai. svayam apanI apekShA-se dravya niShkriy hai. maryAdAmen usakI kriyAen hotI hai. apanA dravya palaT jAy aisI kriyA usamen nahIn hotI hai. apanA svabhAv rakhakar vah kriyA usamen hotI hai. us apekShA-se dravya niShkriy hai. paryAy apekShA- se sakriy hai aur dravya apekShA-se niShkriy hai. sarvathA niShkriy nahIn hai.

mumukShu- vahAn dravya akelA dhruv lenA?

samAdhAna- hAn, akelA dhruv dravya. dravya ekasarIkhA rahatA hai.

mumukShu- jo dRuShTikA viShay banatA hai vah?

samAdhAna- hAn, jo dRuShTikA viShay banatA hai, vah dravya ekasarIkhA niShkriy rahatA hai. jisamen koI pheraphAr nahIn hote. anAdiananta ekarUp rahatA hai. apanA nAsh nahIn


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hotA, aisA anAdiananta niShkriy dravya hai. parantu dravya apekShA-se niShkriy, paryAy apekShA- se sakriy hai. yadi niShkriy ho to kevalagnAnakI paryAy nahIn ho, AnandakI paryAy nahIn ho, usamen sAdhak dashA nahIn ho, muni dashA nahIn ho. yadi koI kriyA hotI hI na ho to (koI dashA hI nahIn ho). paryAy apekShA-se sakriy aur dravya apekShA-se niShkriy hai.

.. dravya shUnya nahIn hai. jAgRutivAlA hai aur kAryavAlA hai. dravya apekShA-se niShkriya. apanA svabhAv usamen rahatA hai. aisA nityarUp dhruv rahatA hai, vah niShkriy hai. paryAy apekShA-se kAryavAlA hai.

.. to use gnAn kaise kahen? Ananda AnandarUp kArya na lAve to vah AnandakA guN kaise kahen? gnAnakA jAnanekA kArya yadi gnAn na kare to use gnAn kaise kahen? Ananda AnandakA kArya, shAnti shAntikA kArya na kare to vah shAnti aur AnandakA lakShaN kaise kahen? yadi kisI bhI prakArakI kriyA hI nahIn hotI ho dravyamen to jAnanekA kArya bhI na ho aur shAntikA kArya bhI na ho aur puruShArtha palaTanekA kArya na ho, to koI kArya hI na ho, sarvathA niShkriy ho to.

do pAriNAmik bhAv nahIn hai, pAriNAmikabhAv to ek hI hai. pAriNAmikabhAv anAdiananta dravyarUp jaisA hai vaisA, ekarup dhruvarUp dravya rahatA hai, vah pAriNAmikabhAvarUp, apane svabhAvarUp pAriNAmikabhAv rahatA hai. vah pAriNAmikabhAv hai. aur paryAyamen jisamen upasham yA kShAyik aisI apekShA lAgU nahIn paDatI, isaliye vah paryAyarUp aisA kahanemen AtA hai. .. apekShA-se aur paryAy bhI pAriNAmikabhAvakI apekShA-se. dhruvarUp ekasarIkhA rahatA hai, isaliye paramapAriNAmikabhAva. aur paryAy bhI pAriNAmikabhAvarUp hai. jisamen upasham, kShayopasham, kShAyik aisI apekShA lAgU nahIn paDatI. isaliye use aisI paryAy kahanemen AtI hai.

mumukShu- .... bhUmikA kise kahate hain?

samAdhAna- svabhAvakI lagan andar laganI chAhiye ki mujhe svabhAv chAhiye, dUsarA kuchh nahIn chAhiye. usake liye usakI dhUn, laganI, vichAr, vAnchan, usakI mahimA lage, bAhar sab ras Utar jAy, bAharamen jo tIvratA ho vah sab manda paD jAya. bAharakA laukik ras use manda paD jAya. ek alaukik dashA prApta (ho). alaukik mahimArUp AtmA hai. laukik kAryakA ras use manda paD jAya. usamen khaDA ho, lekin sab manda paD jAtA hai. usakA ras, vibhAvakA sarva prakArakA ras use manda paD jAtA hai.

shubhabhAvamen use dev-guru-shAstra hote hain aur shuddhAtmAmen ek AtmA. shuddhAtmA kaise prApta ho? jo bhagavAnane prApta kiyA, jo gurudevane sAdhanA kI aur jo shAstramen AtA hai, us par use bhakti AtI hai. shubhabhAvamen vah hotA hai aur antaramen shuddhAtmA kaise


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prApta ho, vah hotA hai. bAkI sab ras use Utar jAtA hai. ek AtmArthakA prayojan (hotA hai). mujhe kaise AtmAkI prApti ho? pratyek kAryamen use vah prayojan hotA hai. shubhabhAv Aye, dev-garu-shAstrakI bhakti (Aye). bAkI sab use manda paD jAtA hai. shubhabhAv to shuddhAtmA prApta ho to bhI Ate hain, parantu usakA bhedagnAn vartatA hai. bhedagnAn ho to bhI shubhabhAv hote hain. parantu vah apanA svabhAv nahIn hai. shuddhAtmAkI pahachAn kaise ho? shuddhAtmAkI bhAvanA, usakI lagan, usakI mahimA, usake liye vichAr, vAnchan sab hotA hai. dUsarA sab ras kam ho jAtA hai. ek dev-guru-shAstra taraphakI shubhabhAvanA rahatI hai aur AtmA kaise prApta ho, us taraphakI lagan rahatI hai.

mumukShu- anubhUti dashAkA antarang svarUp kaisA hotA hai?

samAdhAna- antarang to vANImen AtA nahIn. vikalpa chhUTakar antaramen jo vedan ho, vah to svayam anubhav kar sakatA hai. jisamen akelA AtmA hI hai. vikalpa taraphakA upayog chhUT jAtA hai, vikalpa chhUT jAtA hai. vItarAg nahIn huA hai isaliye abuddhipUrvak hotA hai. bAkI antarmuhUrtamen upayog phir-se bAhar AtA hai. kShaNabharake liye upayog apanemen jam jAtA hai. jo svarUp apanA astitva chaitanyakA hai, gnAyakakA astitva hai usamen usakA upayog jam jAtA hai. chaitanya jis svabhAv-se hai, ananta guN-se bharapUr aur Ananda-se bharA huA AtmA, Ananda guN svayamsiddha usIkA hai. gnAnaguN usakA hai, aise ananta guN-se bharA huA AtmA, usamen usakA upayog lIn ho jAtA hai, vikalpa chhUT jAtA hai. vikalpakI AkulatA chhUTakar usakA upayog svarUpamen jam jAtA hai.

svAnubhUti to vachanamen (AtI nahIn), vah svayam vedan karake jAn sakatA hai. vachanamen to amuk prakArase AtA hai. usakI dishA pUrI badal jAtI hai. jo vibhAvakI bAharakI dishA thI, vah palaTakar svabhAvakI dishA koI alag hI duniyAmen chalA jAtA hai. vah usakI svAnubhUti hai. ye vibhAvakI duniyA nahIn, ye laukik duniyA nahIn, parantu alaukik duniyAmen vah chalA jAtA hai aur svabhAvamen ekadam lInatA ho jAtI hai. usamen jo usakA svabhAv hai, us jAtakI pariNati ho jAtI hai, vah use anubhUtimen vedanamen AtI hai aur vah use jAn sakatA hai, anubhav kar sakatA hai. Anandase bharA, gnAnase bharA, chaitanya chamatkAr dev, chamatkArI dev svayam virAjatA hai. usakI use svAnubhUti hotI hai.

mumukShu- jo kuchh kah sako vah Ap kah sakate ho. bAkI usakA antarang svarUp to...

samAdhAna- amuk prakAr-se Aye. vikalpa chhUTakar nirvikalpa duniyAmen chalA jAtA hai. aur usamen apanA jo chaitanyakA astitva hai, vah use svAnubhutimen AtA hai. ananta guNakA bhaNDAr AtmA hai, vah use svAnubhUtimen AtA hai. jaise siddha bhagavAn hain, vah


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siddha bhagavAnakA ansh use svAnubhUtimen AtA hai. usakI dishA palaT jAtI hai, usakI pariNati palaT jAtI hai. svasanmukh hokar svarUpamen jam jAtA hai. anupam guNakA bhaNDAr, anupam Ananda-se bharA AtmA, us anupam AnandakA vedan karatA hai. jagatakI vibhAvadashAmen jo Ananda nahIn hai, vibhAvadashAmen jo gnAn hai vah AkulatAyukta gnAn hai. svayam nirAkul svarUp AtmA aur anupam Ananda-se bharA, aise AtmAkA vah vedan karatA hai.

mumukShu- nirvikalpa dhyAnakA svarUp aur ye donon ek hI hai? nirvikalpa dhyAnakA svarUp kaho yA antarang anubhUtisvarUp kaho, (donon ek hI hai)?

samAdhAna- donon ek hI hai. nirvikalpa dhyAn yAnI svarUpakI svAnubhUti hai.

mumukShu- dRuShTikA viShay jo hai vah to shuddha-ashuddha paryAy rahit sAmAnya dravya svabhAv hai. jabaki gnAnakA viShay sAmAnya-visheSh tathA sarva pahalUse AtmAko jAnanA hai. ab, jitanA gnAnakA viShay sAmAnya pahalU hai, utanA to dRuShTikA viShay hai hI. phir bhI dRuShTi samyak ho tabhI gnAn samyak ho, aisA kyon?

samAdhAna- gnAnakA viShay hai. parantu dRuShTi hai vah bhedamen rukatI nahIn, ek sAmAnya par hI dRuShTiko sthApit kar dI hai. usakA jor ek sAmAnya par hI hai. gnAn sAmAnya aur visheSh dononko jAnatA hai. jAnanemen bhed Ate hain. dRuShTimen ek sAmAnyakA jo bal AtA hai, aisA bal gnAnamen nahIn hai. dRuShTi balavAn hai. ek sAmanyako grahaN karatI hai, ekako grahaN karanevAlI hai. us ek par hI jor karake Age baDhatI hai.

chaitanya jo sAmAnya anAdiananta hai vah main hUn. usamen bhed par usakI najar nahIn hai, paryAy par najar nahIn hai, guNabhed par najar nahIn hai. ek sAmAnya chaitanyakA astitva jo gnAyak, vah main hUn. us par dRuShTikA bal, jo sAmarthya hai vaisA bal gnAnamen nahIn hai. gnAn jAnanekA kArya karatA hai. sAmAnya aur visheSh dononkA jAnakar, jaisA gnAn ho vaisI usakI pariNati hotI hai. gnAn yathArtha ho to pariNati yathArtha hotI hai. parantu dRuShTi adhik balavAn hai. dRuShTimen bal hai. pUre sAmAnyako grahaN kiyA hai isaliye.

mumukShu- mUlyavAn dRuShTi hai?

samAdhAna- mUlyavAn dRuShTi hai.

mumukShu- dRuShTi jo kAm karatI hai vah gnAnamen gnAt hotA hai.

samAdhAna- gnAnamen gnAt hotA hai, parantu dRuShTi balavAn aur joradAr hai. ek par sthApit karake us anusAr usakI pariNati, lInatA hotI hai. AdamIne ek nakkI kiyA ho ki aisA karanA hai. ekake sivA dUsarA kuchh dekhe nahIn aur dRuDhatAse vah kArya karatA hai. vaise yah ek (kArya dRuShTi karatI hai). phir bIchamen jo sab bhed aur prakAr hai, us par dRuShTi nahIn dekar ek sAmAnya, ek AtmAko (grahaN karatI hai). bas,


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AtmAkI pariNati kaise pragaT ho? us basapUrvak dRuShTikI pariNati hotI hai. AdamIne nirNay kiyA ki yah ek hI (karanA hai). AjubAjukA kuchh nahIn, ek aisA hI karanA hai. vaise usake bal-se lInatAkA aur chAritrakA bal usamen AtA hai.

mumukShu- gnAn bhI vahI bal karegA na? gnAnamen bhI vaisA hI bal honA chAhiye na?

samAdhAna- gnAnamen bal hai. gnAnamen sab jAnanemen AtA hai. gnAnamen bal AtA hai, dRuShTimen bal AtA hai, parantu dRuShTikA bal adhik AtA hai. adhik hai. gnAn sab pahalUko jAnatA hai, jAnanekA kArya sab pahalUommen hotA hai ki yah adhUrA hai, yah pUrA hai, yah kevalagnAn hai, yah sAdhakadashA hai, yah chAritra hai, ye guNabhed hai, ye paryAyabhed hai. gnAn sab jAnatA hai, ye ek akhaNDa hai. akhaNDakA bal hai gnAnamen, parantu vah sab jAnatA hai. lekin jisane ek hI grahaN kiyA hai, aisI dRuShTi balavAn hai.

mumukShu- akAraN pAriNAmik dravya aur kevalagnAnamen sarva padAthAkI paryAy utkIrNa ho gayI hai, in dononkA mel kaise karanA?

samAdhAna- akAraN pAriNAmik dravya, vah to svatasiddha jo anAdiananta dravya pAriNAmik svarUp hai. svabhAv jo hai anAdiananta svabhAvarUp hai vah pAriNAmik svarUp hai. aur kevalagnAn to pragaT paryAy hai. usamen to sAmAnya pAriNAmik svabhAv sAmAnya rUp-se anAdiananta ki jisamen koI bhed nahIn paDate, aisA pAriNAmikabhAv anAdiananta hai. kevalagnAn hai vah pragaT paryAy hai, lokAlokako jAnatI hai. nirmal paryAy kevalagnAnakI lokAlokako jAnatI hai. bhale use kShAyik paryAy kahate hain, usamen pAriNAmik sAthamen hai, parantu kShAyik paryAy kahate hain, kevalagnAnakI paryAy hai. pAriNAmikabhAv to anAdiananta hai aur kShAyik paryAy kevalagnAnakI paryAy bAdamen pragaT hotI hai. vah anAdiananta nahIn hotI. ye to anAdiananta hai, pAriNAmikabhAv hai.

nigodamen gayA to bhI pAriNAmikabhAv to anAdiananta hai. pAriNAmikabhAvarUp jo chaitanya hai, vah anAdiananta hai. aur kevalagnAn to usamen shaktirUp hai. puruShArthakI sAdhanA- se kevalagnAn pragaT hotA hai. vah kShAyik paryAy hai. vah lokAlokako jAnatI hai. svarUpamen vItarAg dashA ho gayI isaliye usakA gnAn pUrNa pragaT ho gayA. svarUpamen rahakar, svabhAvako jAnatA huA, lokAlokakI sarva paryAyen usamen sahaj gnAt hotI hai. vah usakI pragaTarUp-se sAdiananta paryAyen pragaT hotI hai. pAriNAmikabhAv hai vah to anAdiananta hai.

mumukShu- pUchhanekA prashna yah thA ki akAraN pAriNAmik dravya yAnI svatantra dravya hai yA jaise pariNAm karanA chAhe vaisA svayam kar sakatA hai? usakA aur kevalagnAnakA dononkA mel kaise hai?

samAdhAna- jaisA bhAv karane ho vaise kar sakatA hai. akAraN-usamen koI kAraN


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nahIn lAgU paDatA. kevalagnAnamen bhI koI kAraN nahIn hai. vah jo bhAv kare usamen koI kAraN lAgU nahIn paDatA. sab akAraNarUp-se pariNamate hain.

mumukShu- kevalagnAnIne jAnA ho vaisA ho na. akAraN pAriNAmik kaise rahA? akAraN pAriNAmik dravya svatantra hai aur kevalagnAnIne jAnA ho vaise pariName to bandh gayA.

samAdhAna- kevalagnAnIne jAnA... kevalagnAnIne isaliye kahIn bandh nahIn gayA. vah to svata pariNamatA hai. kevalagnAnamen aisA hI gnAt huA hai. kevalagnAnIne jAnA isaliye svayam pariNaman na kar sake aisA nahIn hai. svayam to svatantra pariNamatA hai. kevalagnAn use rokane nahIn AtA. kevalagnAn kevalagnAnamen hai aur svayam apanemen hai. pratyek dravya svatantra hai. kevalagnAnIne jAnA isaliye vaise pariNamanA hI paDe, aise dravya kahIn parAdhIn nahIn ho gayA. kevalagnAnane jAnA isaliye svayam usake adhIn ho gayA, aisA kuchh nahIn hai. svayam svatantra pariNamatA hai. apanI pariNati apane-se hotI hai, kevalagnAn use pariNaman nahIn karavAtA. apanI pariNati, kaisA pariNaman karanA vah apane hAthakI bAt hai.

svayam svabhAv taraph pariName, vibhAv taraph jAtA hai, vah sab apanI pariNati to svata badalatA hai. isaliye puruShArtha-se palaTanA vah apane hAthakI bAt hai. kevalagnAnane jAnA isaliye usake hAthamen hai, aisA nahIn hai. kevalagnAnane jAnA isaliye usake hAthamen hai, aisA nahIn hai. vah jis svarUp palaTatA hai, vaisA kevalagnAn jAnatA hai. bhale kevalagnAnamen pahale-se gnAt huA ho, parantu palaTatA hai vah svayam apane-se palaTatA hai. kevalagnAnane jAnA isaliye vaise hI pariNamanA paDe, aisA usakA artha nahIn hai.

bhale kevalagnAnamen gnAt huA ki yah pariNaman aise hogA. to bhI svayam hI pariNamatA hai. apane puruShArthakI gati-se svayam pariNamatA hai. svayam aisA mAne ke kevalagnAnamen jaisA jAnA vaisA hogA. aisA jo mAnatA hai, usakA puruShArtha uThatA nahIn. jo aisA mAne ki jaise honA hogA vaise hogA, usakA puruShArtha (uThatA nahIn). puruShArthapUrvak jisake khyAlamen aisA rahatA hai ki mujhe puruShArtha karanA hai, mujhe chaitanyakI dashA pragaT karanI hai, aisI jise bhAvanA rahe use hI kevalagnAn aur sab sulaTA jAnA hai. jisake bhAvamen aisA rahe ki jaise honA hogA vaise hogA, usakI pariNati kevalagnAnIne vaisI hI jAnI hai.

jo pariNati palaTatI hai, use puruShArthake sAth sambandha hai. puruShArthake sambandha binA vah aisA mAne ki puruShArtha ho yA na ho, aise hI palaT jAyagI. jo sahaj pariNati pragaT hotI hai akAraNarUp-se, vah puruShArthapUrvak palaTatI hai. use puruShArthake sAth sambandha hai. kramabaddha aur puruShArtha dononko sambandha hai. akelA kramabaddha (nahIn hai). kramabaddhako puruShArthake sAth sambandha hai. puruShArtha binA kramabaddha nahIn hotA, vah sambandhavAlA hai.


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aur jo puruShArtha par dRuShTi rakhakar palaTatA hai, usakA kevalagnAnIne aisA dekhA hai ki isakA sulaTA palaTanA hogA, aisA jAnA hai. aur jo puruShArtha nahIn karatA hai, usakA vaisA jAnA hai. vah jAne isaliye svayam palaT na sake aisA nahIn hai. vah puruShArtha- se palaTegA aisA kevalagnAn jAnatA hai. yah jIv puruShArtha-se is prakAr palaTegA aisA kevalagnAnI jAnate hain.

prashamamUrti bhagavatI mAtano jay ho! mAtAjInI amRut vANIno jay ho!