Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 181.

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મુમુક્ષુઓ સાચા રસ્તે છે તેની નિશાની શું છે?    0   Play
mumukṣhuo sāchā raste chhe tenī nishānī shun chhe?    0   Play

આપ જ્ઞાયકની વાત કરો છો ત્યારે–હું મારાથી છૂટો રહું તે વાત મારાથી સહન થતી નથી.    1:30   Play
āp gnāyakanī vāt karo chho tyāre–hun mārāthī chhūṭo rahun te vāt mārāthī sahan thatī nathī.    1:30   Play

શું પોતે ઓળખાય તો જ્ઞાની ઓળખાય?    3:10   Play
shun pote oḷakhāy to gnānī oḷakhāy?    3:10   Play

વચનામૃતમાં આવે છે કે, ‘જ્ઞાનીને શુભભાવ કાળા નાગ જેવો દેખાય છે’ પણ જ્ઞાની તો બધુ દ્રષ્ટાભાવે જે છે તેમ દેખે તો તે કેવી રીતે છે?    5:50   Play
vachanāmr̥utamān āve chhe ke, ‘gnānīne shubhabhāv kāḷā nāg jevo dekhāy chhe’ paṇ gnānī to badhu draṣhṭābhāve je chhe tem dekhe to te kevī rīte chhe?    5:50   Play

ઉત્પન્ન થયેલી ભાવનાને જ્ઞાની કરે છે કે જાણે છે?    11:00   Play
utpanna thayelī bhāvanāne gnānī kare chhe ke jāṇe chhe?    11:00   Play

ભાવના ન હોય તો સવિકલ્પ પુરુષાર્થ રહે કે નહીં?    12:00   Play
bhāvanā na hoy to savikalpa puruṣhārtha rahe ke nahīn?    12:00   Play

ક્ષાયિક સમ્યગ્દ્રષ્ટિ લડાઈના મેદાનમાં તલવાર લઈ માથું કાપતા હોય તેથી તેને નવાઈ નહીં લાગતી હોય?    12:30   Play
kṣhāyik samyagdraṣhṭi laḍāīnā medānamān talavār laī māthun kāpatā hoy tethī tene navāī nahīn lāgatī hoy?    12:30   Play

પૂજ્ય ગુરુદેવશ્રીએ તો દ્રષ્ટિ બધાને આપી દીધી છે, પુરુષાર્થ તો પોતાને કરવાનો છે તે વિષે...    14:00   Play
pūjya gurudevashrīe to draṣhṭi badhāne āpī dīdhī chhe, puruṣhārtha to potāne karavāno chhe te viṣhe...    14:00   Play

મોક્ષ અધિકારમાં આઠમા કળશની ટીકામાં આવે છે કે નિર્વિકલ્પ સમ્યગ્દર્શન થયા પહેલા ભેદજ્ઞાન થાય ખરું? (પ્રશ્નનો સારાંશ)    16:45   Play
mokṣha adhikāramān āṭhamā kaḷashanī ṭīkāmān āve chhe ke nirvikalpa samyagdarshan thayā pahelā bhedagnān thāy kharun? (prashnano sārānsh)    16:45   Play

mumukṣhuḥ- mumukṣhu sachche mārga par hai usakā chihna kyā hai?

samādhānaḥ- vah sachche mārga par hai, (usamen aisā hotā hai ki), mujhe svarūp kaise pahachānamen āye? main gnāyak bhinna hūn̐, yah vibhāv merā svabhāv nahīn hai, aisī antaramense pratīt ho, ruchi ho, use pahachānanekā prayatna kare, usakā vichār kare, dev-guuru-shāstrakī mahimā aur ātmā kaise pahachānamen āye, aisī ruchi antaramense rahe ki mujhe gnāyakakī gnāyakatā kaise pragaṭ ho? to vah satya mārga par hai. vah usakā lakṣhaṇ hai.

nij svabhāvako pahichānaneke panth par, mujhe svabhāvakī pahachān kaise ho? aisī antaramense gaharī jignāsā ho to vah yathārtha mārga par hai. bāhar kahīn-kahīn rukatā ho vah nahīn parantu antaramense mujhe ātma svabhāv kaise prāpta ho? bhedagnān kaise ho? us jātakā vichār, us jātakā vāñchan, us jātakī tattvakī mahimā vah sab antaramen ho to vah satya mārga par hai. sachche dev-guru-shāstrako grahaṇ kiye hon, antar jo svabhāvako batāye aise guru aur devako grahaṇ kiye hon, gnāyakakī ruchi antaramen tīvrapane ho to vah satya mārga par hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- āp gnāyakakī bāt karate ho to main mujhase gupta rahūn̐ vah bāt sahan nahīn hotī. vah bāt hī koī gajab lagatī hai.

samādhānaḥ- svayam apanese gupta rahe vah ek āshcharyakī bāt hai. svayam hī hai aur svayam svayaṅko jānatā nahīn, vah koī āshcharyakī bāt hai. svayam apanī or dr̥uṣhṭi karatā nahīn aur bāhar dr̥uṣhṭi karatā hai. svayam svayaṅko dekhatā nahī̃n. anādi kālase vah ek āshcharya hai ki svayaṅko jānatā nahī̃n. svayam svayanse gupta rahatā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- virah lagatā hai phir bhī aisā kyon hotā hai? sahaj kyon nahīn ho rahā hai?

samādhānaḥ- antaramense kharī ugratā jāge to jāne binā rahe nahī̃n. ugratā nahīn hai, mandatā hai isaliye. utanī svayaṅkī mandatā hai. sachchā virah lage to svayam svayanse3 gupta rahe nahī̃n. svayam jāne binā rahe hī nahīn, apanī anubhūti hue binā rahe hī nahī̃n.

mumukṣhuḥ- ashātārūp bhāv hai?

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samādhānaḥ- ashātārūp bhāv nahīn, vah ek jātakī bhāvanā hai, usakī ruchi hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- pūrvamen ātmāākā svarūp jānā nahīn hai isaliye gupta hai?

samādhānaḥ- ātmākā svarūp jānā nahīn hai. guru batāte hain aur jānā nahīn hai. anādise svayaṅkī or dr̥uṣhṭi hī nahīn kī hai aur usakā prayatna nahīn karatā hai. usakī ruchi jitanī chāhiye utanī karatā nahīn, isaliye gupta hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- svayaṅkī pahachān ho to gnānīko pahichāne?

samādhānaḥ- donon nimitta-upādān sāthamen hī haĩn. vāstavik svayaṅko pahichāne to gnānīkī pahachān ho. gnānīko pahachāne vah svayaṅko pahachāne. vah nimitta-upādān (sambandha hai). yathārtha pahachānanā, jaisā vastukā svarūp hai vaisī gnānīkī dashā pahichānanī, use pahichāne. donon vāstavikarūpase sāthamen haĩn. aur svayam puruṣhārtha (kare). svayam apanese anajānā hai to jisane vastukā svarūp jānā hai use tū pahichāna. aise nimittakī orase aisā kahanemen āye ki gnānīko tū pahachān to to tujhe pahachān pāyagā. isaliye gnānī usakā nimitta hai aur svayam upādān hai.

parantu vāstavik kab pahichānā kahā jāy? gnānīko amuk lakṣhaṇ parase pahichāne. parantu svayam svayaṅko pahichāne to gnānīkī use barābar pahichān hotī hai. parantu barābar pahichānā kab kahā jāy? svayaṅko pahichāne aur gnānīko pahichāne, donon sāthamen hī hai.

pahale amuk lakṣhaṇonse gnānīko pahachān le. gnānīkī vāstavik dashā to usakī utanī shakti nahīn hai isaliye upādān-nimitta donoṅkā yog ho tab pahichānatā hai. parantu amuk lakṣhaṇonse pahale gnānīko pahichāne ki ye gnānī haĩn. aise pahachānakar, phir jo mārga batāte hain, us mārgako jānanekā svayam prayatna kare, antaramen utāranekā prayatna kare. to gnānī usakā nimitta hote hain, upādān svayam hai.

gurudevako lakṣhaṇase pahichānakar, ye apūrva bāt karate haĩn. phir jo ātmākā svarūp batāte hain, vah koī apūrva batāte haĩn. aise svayam apūrvatako grahaṇ kare, mārgako svayaṅke upādānase grahaṇ kare. phir vāstavik svarūp to svayaṅko pahichāne to gnānīkī pahachān ho. aisā nimitta-upādānakā sambandha hai. parantu pahale gnānīko lakṣhaṇ dvārā pahichān le ki ye gnānī hī haĩn. jisakī sat jignāsā hotī hai, us jignāsuke, shrīmad kahate hain na, usake hr̥udayake netra hī aise ho jāte hain ki vah gnānīko pahichān letā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- kr̥upāludevane kahā hai ki gnānarūpī baḍā van hai, jitanī tākat ho utanī pahachān ho to lābh ho. aisā likhā hai. jitanī pahichān ho utanā lābh hai. pūrṇa pahichān ho to pūrṇa lābh hai.

samādhānaḥ- utanā lābh hai, pūrṇa lābh hai. parantu amuk lakṣhaṇase pahichān le

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ki ye gnānī haĩn. phir unakī apūrvatā jānakar svayam nij apūrva svarūp hai use jānanekā prayatna kare. antarase ātmākā bhedagnān karanekā prayatna kare. bhedagnān ho aur svānubhūti ho to yathārtha dashāko jān sakate haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- vachanāmr̥utamen likhā hai ki gnānīko shubh hai vah kāle nāg jaisā dikhatā hai. jabaki gnānī hain vah to dr̥uṣhṭābhāvase jo hai use sahaj dekhate haĩn. to aisā dekhanā to bahut nimna koṭikī dashā ho gayī ho tab aisā dikhatā hai? achchhī dashā ho to sahaj hī dr̥uṣhṭābhāvase usakā sparsha nahīn hotā. vāstavamen to shubhakā sparsha hī nahīn hotā. to vah vachan āpane kaise likhā hai? kis apekṣhāse?

samādhānaḥ- usakī gnātā-dr̥uṣhṭākī dashā bhedagnānakī hai ki ye vibhāv hai aur yah svabhāv hai. to use sahaj gnān hotā hai. gnāyak gnāyakarūpase use apanī pariṇatimen khaḍā hai. ye bhinna hai aur main bhinna hū̃n. parantu alpa asthiratā hai use jānatā hai, parantu usakī bhāvanā aisī ho ki main svarūpamen līn ho jāūn̐, pūrṇa līn kaise ho jāūn̐, aisī bhāvanāke kāraṇ use vah kālā nāg lagatā hai. aisī apekṣhā hai, us apekṣhāse (bāt hai). bākī to use..

mumukṣhuḥ- dveṣhabuddhi jaisā to artha nahīn hotā hai.

samādhānaḥ- dveṣhabuddhi nahīn hai, vah to jānatā hai, gnāyak hai-gnātā hai. yah ātā hai usakā gnātā-dr̥uṣhṭā hai, parantu use bhāvanā to aisī rahe ki yah alpatā hai. munion jaise kṣhaṇ-kṣhaṇamen svarūpamen jam jāte hain antarmuhūrta-antarmuhūrtamen, aisī dashā nahīn hai. aisī dashā mujhe kab ho ki main svarūpamen līn ho jāūn̐? isaliye yah vibhāv hai vah ādaraṇīy nahīn hai. vah merā svabhāv nahīn hai. us apekṣhāse (kahā hai). mujhe kab vītarāgadashā ho jāy aur main shāshvat ātmāmen rah jāūn̐. itanā jo gneyarūpase vibhāv gnāt ho rahā hai, vah vibhāv mujhe na ho, mujhe pūrṇa svabhāv ho. aisī usakī bhāvanā rahatī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ... tāratamyatāse bhāvamen pharka paḍanevālā hī hai. dashā bahut achchhī ho us vakta to kisīkā sparsha hī nahīn hotā.

samādhānaḥ- vah to svānubhūti nirvikalpa dashā ho us vakta to us or usakā upayog bhī nahīn hai. svayam to nirvikalpa dashāmen ānandamen hai. parantu jab usakā upayog bāhar ātā hai, bhedagnān ho, bāhar upayog āye tab jānatā hai ki itanī nyūnatā hai. isaliye vah nyūnatā hai, us nyūnatāko jānatā hai. ataḥ pūrṇatā kab ho, us apekṣhāse (aisī bhāvanā rahatī hai ki) yah vibhāvabhāv mujhe nahīn chāhiye. itanā vibhāv bhī mujhe pusātā nahī̃n.

jaise ān̐khamen kaṇ nahīn samātā, vaise bhale dravyadr̥uṣhṭimen pūrṇa nirmal hoūn̐, parantu paryāyamen

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itanatī bhī kachās mujhe nahīn chāhiye. kālā nāg arthāt vah mujhe ādaraṇīy nahīn hai, isaliye main pūrṇa ho jāun̐, aisī usakī ugra bhāvanā vartatī hai. nirvikalpa dashāke samay to us or upayog bhī nahīn hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- hān̐, vah to bāhar āneke bād turantakī dashā bhī bahut achchhī hotī hai.

samādhānaḥ- us vakta bhī use bhedagnānakī hī dashā hotī hai. bāhar āye to ekatvabuddhi hotī nahī̃n. ekatva ho to-to usakī dashā hī na rahe. bhedagnān, antaramen ānshik shāntidhārā aur samādhikī dhārā usakī vartatī rahatī hai. nirvikalpa dashākī ānanda dashā ek alag bāt hai, parantu bāhar āye to bhī shāntikī dhārā aur samādhikī dhārā, gnāyakadhārā vartatī hī hai. parantu alpa (vibhāv) hai to sahī, alpa bhī na ho to-to kevalagnān (honā chāhiye). alpa hai, vah alpa bhī mujhe nahīn chāhiye. itanā bhī mujhe nahīn chāhiye. ān̐khamen rajakaṇ jitanā bhī nahīn chāhiye. main pūrṇa ho jāūn̐, isaliye kahatā hai ki vah kālā nāg hai. mujhe yah kuchh nahīn chāhiye.

mumukṣhuḥ- shabda kālā nāg hai, isaliye kisīko aisā lage, aisā? kisīko aisā lage ki dveṣhabhāv hai?

samādhānaḥ- bhāvanā hai. vītarāgatākī bhāvanā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- gnānīko to āge-pīchhe karanekī vr̥utti nahīn hotī, to aisā bhāv bhī kyon hotā hai?

samādhānaḥ- vītarāgatākī bhāvanā to hotī hai na ki main vītarāg kaise hoūn̐? vītarāgatākī bhāvanā hai. itanā rāg bhī mujhe nahīn chāhiye. mujhe vītarāgatā pragaṭ hoo. kuchh na ho to use puruṣhārtha kaisā? to kr̥utakr̥utya ho gayā, to kevalagnān ho jāya. usakī sādhakakī dashā hai, puruṣhārthakī dhārā hai. isaliye mere puruṣhārthakī ugratā kaise ho, aisī bhāvanā hai. us bhāvanāke joramen kahatā hai ki yah kālā nāg hai, yah mujhe nahīn chāhiye. usakī ādaraṇīy buddhi nahīn hai, mujhe svabhāv hī ādaraṇīy hai. mujhe svabhāv chāhiye, yah nahīn chāhiye, itanā bhī nahīn chāhiye.

bāhubalī muni aise dhyānamen the, chhaṭhaven-sātaven guṇasthānamen jhulate the. to unhen alpa vibhāv rahā ki main bharatakī bhūmi par khaḍā hūn̐, utanā andar rahā to kevalagnān nahīn huā. arthāt gnānīko itanā rajakaṇ jitanā bhī mujhe nahīn chāhiye. bāhar āye taba. utanī bhāvanākī ugratā hai. shāntikī dhārā hai, samādhikī dhārā hai, sab hai, parantu itanā hai (vah bhī nahīn chāhiye). puruṣhārtha hai, kevalagnān nahīn hai isaliye vah kahatā hai ki mujhe itanā bhī nahīn chāhiye.

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mumukṣhuḥ- utpanna huyī bhāvanāko vah jānatā hai ki karatā hai?

samādhānaḥ- bhāvanā use antaramense hotī hai. svabhāv-or jisakī pariṇati jhuk gayī, jise nirvikalpa dashā, svabhāvarūp pariṇaman ho gayā use merī pūrṇa pariṇati kaise ho, aisī bhāvanā use āye hī. jise svabhāv-or dr̥uṣhṭi gayī, use pūrṇakī bhāvanā sāthamen (hotī hī hai). main pūrṇa dravyase hūn̐, parantu paryāyase abhī adhūrā hū̃n. isaliye use pūrṇatākī bhāvanā andar ātī hī hai. shrīmad kahate hain na ki "kyāre thaīshun bāhyāntar nirgrantha jo, sarva sambandhanun bandhan tīkṣhaṇ chhedīne, vicharashun kav mahat puruṣhane panth jo.' aisī bhāvanā to ātī hī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- yadi bhāvanā na ho to savikalpa puruṣhārtha hogā kaise?

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, to puruṣhārtha hī na rahe. bhāvanā to andar rahatī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- kṣhaṇ-kṣhaṇamen puruṣhārtha to chālū hai.

samādhānaḥ- to sādhakadashākā puruṣhārtha kahān̐ gayā? bhedagnānakī dhārākā puruṣhārtha, samādhi-shānti, gnāyakatā, bhedagnānakī dhārā kaise ugra ho? gnāyakakī gnātādhārā kaise ugra ho? aisī ugra ho ki jisamen vibhāv ho hī nahī̃n. aisī ugratā ho jāy, aisī bha bhāvanā rahatī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- kṣhāyik samakitīke dhanī laḍāīke maidānamen talavār lekar logoṅko kāṭate ho, usakā āshcharya nahīn lagatā?

samādhānaḥ- utanī usakī nyūnatā hai. bhāvanā to ugra hai. usakī nyūnatā hai. andar bhedagnānakī dhārā vartatī hai, ekatvabuddhi nahīn hai, alpa rāg hai, rājakā rāg hai, isaliye vah laḍāīke maidānamen khaḍā hai. phir bhī usakā vartan nyāyase hotā hai. parantu vah hotā hai. aisī bāharakī kriyā hotī hai. antarakī pariṇati,.. hāthīke dikhāneke dān̐t alag aur antarake alag hote haĩn. aisā lage ki kaise kar sakate hoṅge? laḍāīmen kaise khaḍe rahate hoṅge? aise sanyogamen ā jāya.

mumukṣhuḥ- vāstavamen to gnānī apane svabhāvamen hī khaḍe hain, bāhar kahān̐ khaḍe hī hain?

samādhānaḥ- svabhāvakī pariṇatimen svayam khaḍe haĩn. bāhar.. samādhānaḥ- khaḍe ho aisā logoṅko dikhe. samādhānaḥ- dikhe, alpa rāg hai, alpa rāg hai. phir bhāvanā ho to muni banakar chale jāte haĩn. aisā ho jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- mātājī! abhī to puruṣhārtha nahīn uṭhatā hai.

samādhānaḥ- .. sab spaṣhṭa karake batā diyā hai. sabako dr̥uṣhṭi to de dī hai. puruṣhārtha

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karanekā bākī hai. puruṣhārtha, bhedagnānakī dhārā to svayaṅko hī karanī hai. kahīn kisīko bhūl na rahe itanā sūkṣhma-sūkṣhma karake pūrā mārga ākhir tak batā diyā hai. sharīr bhinna, vibhāv svabhāv terā nahīn hai, shubhabhāv bhī terā svabhāv nahīn hai. ye kṣhaṇik paryāyommen tū aṭakanā mata. tū to shāshvat hai. guṇabhedake vikalpamen (aṭakanā mat). teremen ananta guṇ hain, terī svabhāv paryāy, usake bhedamen bhī tū aṭakanā mata. us vikalpake bhedamen (mat aṭakanā). jānanā sabako, lekin dr̥uṣhṭi to ek akhaṇḍa par sthāpit karanā. gurudevane to bahut spaṣhṭa karake batāyā hai. ek akhaṇḍa chaitanya par dr̥uṣhṭi sthāpit karake vibhāvakā bhedagnān karake tū svabhāvamen dr̥uṣhṭi sthāpit karake usakī līnatā kara. usakā bhedagnān kara. bārambār main chaitanya hūn̐, chaitanya hūn̐, yah main nahīn hūn̐, yah main nahīn hūn̐, (aisā) antaramense pratikṣhaṇ honā chāhiye. ek bār karake chhoḍ diyā, aise nahīn hotāā. usakī bhāvanā kare vah barābar hai, parantu antaramen kṣhaṇ-kṣhaṇamen svabhāvako pahichānakar, jo vastu hai usakā svabhāv pahichānakar tadagat pariṇati ho, us rūp ho to usakā pratikṣhaṇ bhedagnān karate- karate usakī bhedagnānakī dhārā, gnātādhārākī ugratā ho to vikalpa chhūṭe aur svānubhūti ho.

yah jīvan vibhāvakā usakā kaisā sahaj ho gayā hai. sahaj vikalpa, sab sahaja. aise svabhāvakā jīvan sahaj honā chāhiye. main gnāyak hūn̐, gnāyak hū̃n. aisī sahaj dhārā antaramense ho to ho. aisī sahaj shāntikī, samādhikī dhārā usakī sahaj honī chāhiye. to hotā hai. puruṣhārtha to svayaṅko hī karanā hai. svayam hī hai, koī anya nahīn hai. svayaṅko hī karanā hai. usakā bhedagnān kṣhaṇ-kṣhaṇamen, kṣhaṇ-kṣhaṇamen main chaitanya hūn̐, sab kārya karate hue koī bhī vikalpa āye, vikalpa bhī main nahīn hū̃n.

kṣhaṇ-kṣhaṇamen vikalpa (chal jāye), phir yād kare ki main bhinna hūn̐ (aise nahīn). jo vikalpa āye usī kṣhaṇ aisā honā chāhiye ki main gnāyak hū̃n. jis kṣhaṇ vikalpakī maujūdagī hai, usī kṣhaṇ gnāyakakī maujūdagī, gnāyakake astitvakī maujūdagī, usī kṣhaṇ puruṣhārtha, usī kṣhaṇ svayaṅkī maujūdagī ho aisī usakī sahaj dhārā to vah āge baḍhe. ekatvabuddhi ho aur bādamen yād kare to vah bādamen yād kare aise nahī̃n. kṣhaṇ-kṣhaṇamen usī kṣhaṇ apanā astitva maujūd rakhe, aisī antarase ugratā ho to āge baḍhe. gurudevane mārga to ekadam spaṣhṭa kiyā hai. aisā apūrva mārga batāyā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- mokṣha adhikārakā 180vān kalash hai. yah kalashaṭīkā hai. kaṭashaṭīkāmen bhāvārtha hai, usamen likhate hain ki "bhāvārtha is prakār hai ki karontake bārabār chālū karanese pudagalavastu kāṣhṭha ādi do khaṇḍa ho jātā hai, usī prakār bhedagnān dvārā jīv-pudagalako bārabār bhinna bhinna anubhav karanepar bhinna-bhinna ho jāte

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haĩn. isaliye bhedagnān upādey hai'. yahān̐ merā mukhya prashna yah hai ki bārabār bhinna- bhinna anubhav karanepar bhinna-bhinna ho jāte haĩn. bārambār bhinna-bhinna yānī thoḍā bhinna ho usakā use khyāl ātā hai? kyoṅki isamen likhā hai ki bārambār bhinna-bhinna anubhav karanepara. bhinna-bhinna karake vah bārabār anubhav karatā hai. usakā artha ki pahale, nirvikalpa samyagdarshan hone pūrva bhī use bhedagnān hotā hai? kyoṅki yahān̐ yah shabda paḍā hai.

samādhānaḥ- bhāvārthamen hai na?

mumukṣhuḥ- hān̐ jī. mūl paḍhūn̐?

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, mūlamen kyā hai? ... aisā kahate haĩn. jo bhedagnān huā us bhedagnānako bārabār aise hī ugra rakhatā hai. bārabār bhedagnān, main yah nahīn hūn̐ aur yah nahīn hūn̐, aise tatkāl pragnāchhainīse bhedagnān ho gayā ki main yah chaitanya hūn̐ aur yah main nahīn hū̃n. yah vibhāvabhāv main nahīn hūn̐, parantu yah svabhāv main hū̃n. pragnāchhainīse bhedagnān kiyā. usakī tīkṣhṇatā karanese bārabār usakī ugratā karanese. aisā kahate haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- arthāt vikalpātmak use anubhavakā ansh pragaṭ hotā hai? vikalpātmak vah aisā karatā rahe ki yah main hūn̐ aur yah nahī hūnn̐, aisā?

samādhānaḥ- use bhedagnānakī dhārā kahate haĩn. us bhedagnānakī dhārā dvārā svānubhūti hotī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- bhedagnānakī dhārā pragaṭ hotī hai?

samādhānaḥ- pahale bhedagnānakī dhārā pragaṭ hotī hai, phir svānubhūti hotī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- vikalpātmak bhedagnānakī dhārā pragaṭ hotī hai aur usīmen visheṣh tīkṣhṇatā..

samādhānaḥ- usamen bārabār tīkṣhṇatā karanese svānubhūti hotī hai. kisīko tatkāl ugratā ho jāy to shīghratāse ho jātā hai. usī kṣhaṇa. aur usakā abhyās karanese, ugratā karanese svānubhūti hotī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ...

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, mūl kalashamen to pragnāchhainī arthāt svānubhūtikī bāt lī hai. usamen to svānubhūti (lī hai). pragnāchhainīkī karont dvārā, pragnāchhainī dvārā tatkāl bhed ho jāyagā aur usamen tujhe svānubhūti hogī. kalashamen to aisā hī liyā hai ki tatkāl bhed honese tujhe tatkāl svānubhūti ho jāyagī. parantu isamen bārambār abhyās arthāt usakī ugratā bārambār karanese tujhe svānubhūti hogī, aisā kahanā chāhate haĩn. vikalpa hai, parantu vikalpa hai vah main nahīn hūn̐, parantu main gnāyak hūn̐, gnāyak hūn̐, aisī gnātādhārākī ugratā, usakī ugratā dvārā tujhe svānubhūti hogī.

mumukṣhuḥ- us samay bhī use vikalpa spaṣhṭa bhinna dikhatā hogā na?

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samādhānaḥ- hān̐, spaṣhṭa bhinna dikhatā hai. bhinna dikhatā hai lekin upayog jo andar līn honā chāhiye vah līnatā nahīn hai. līnatākī ugratā karanese tujhe vikalpa ṭūṭakar nirvikalpa dashā hogī. usakī ugratā, bārabār usakī usakī ugratā karanese vikalpa ṭūṭ jāyagā aur svānubhūti hogī.

mumukṣhuḥ- tabatak vikalpātmak bhedagnān hai?

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, vikalpātmak hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- tabatak vikalpātmak bhedagnān hai. anubhavapūrvakakā, thoḍā anubhavapūrvakakā bhedagnān hai aur vah svayam bhī..

samādhānaḥ- bhinna dekhatā hai lekin usakī ugratā nahīn hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ugratāke liye bārabār vahī abhyās karanese, ugratā honepar nirvikalpatā ho.

samādhānaḥ- phir nirvikalpatā hotī hai. aur līnatākī ugratā hotī hai. gnāyakakī ugratā karanese svānubhūti hotī hai. hai to sahī, lekin nahīn hai. bhinnatā to ho hī gayī hai, lekin usakī ugratā nahīn hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- mātra vikalpātmak, buddhipūrvakakā vikalpātmak nahīn hai.

samādhānaḥ- nahīn, buddhipūrvak nahīn hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- rāgakī to bāt hī nahīn hai.

samādhānaḥ- vah nahīn hai. lekin usakī ugratā karaneko kahate haĩn. bārabār usakī ugratā karanese, līnatā karanese svānubhūti hotī hai. aur kitanoṅko to ugratā, unhonne kahā hai ki tatkṣhaṇ ho jātī hai. use aisī ugratā antarmuhūrtamen ho jātī hai ki shīghra svānubhūti ho jātī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- kisīko samay bhī lage, lambā samay lage.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, kisīko samay lage. usakī ugratā nahīn hai. bākī bhedagnān, koī bhī sūkṣhma vikalpa athavā sthūl vikalpa, sabamen bhedagnān vartatā hai. use gnāyak to bhinna hai, parantu use ugratākī kṣhati hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ugratākī kṣhatike hisābase nirvikalpatā paryant pahun̐chatā nahīn hai.

samādhānaḥ- nirvikalpatā paryant pahun̐chā nahī̃n. parantu samyagdarshan to tabhī kahanemen ātā hai, jab svānubhūti ho, bādameen jo sahaj dashā hotī hai use samyagdarshan kahate haĩn. nirvikalpa ho bādamẽn.

mumukṣhuḥ- usake pahale to nām prāpta hotā hī nahīn na?

samādhānaḥ- nahīn, usake pahale nām prāpta nahīn hotā. vah to abhyās hai, abhyās hai.

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mumukṣhuḥ- nām to nahīn prāpta hotā. pūrṇa rūp jabatak na dekhe tabatak nām kaisā? vah to ānshik dekhā hai, pūrṇa svarūp kahān̐ dekhā hai? pūrṇa to nirvikalpamen hī dekhatā hai.

samādhānaḥ- nirvikalpa svānubhūti nahīn huī hai, tabatak samyagdarshan nahīn hai. ye to savikalpa dhārāmen bhedagnān hai, parantu pahale thoḍā aur bādamen adhik, aise nahī̃n. bhedagnān to ho gayā, parantu ugratā nahīn hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ugratā nahīn hai. ye to astitvakā pratibhās ho gayā. pratibhāsake joramen vah līnatā karegā.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, līnatā nahīn karatā hai aur upayog bāhar hai. upayog jo antaramen sthir honā chāhiye, bārabār use līnatā karanekī kṣhati hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- parantu use pratibhās to hai.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, pratibhās huā hai. pratīti hai, dr̥uṣhṭi hai, amuk prakārase pariṇati bhī hai. amuk prakārase to bhedagnān hai, parantu ugratā nahīn hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ugratā ho to nirvikalpatāmen palaṭ jāya.

samādhānaḥ- to hī nirvikalpatā hotī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- tīvra līnatā ho to..

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, to svānubhūti hotī hai.

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho!

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