Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 198.

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અનુભવ પહેલા અનેક પ્રકારના ભેદના વિકલ્પ આવે ‘હું જ્ઞાયક છું’ ‘હું મારા વડે મને જાણું છું’ પછી શું અનુભવનો નિર્ણય થાય?    0   Play
anubhav pahelā anek prakāranā bhedanā vikalpa āve ‘hun gnāyak chhun’ ‘hun mārā vaḍe mane jāṇun chhun’ pachhī shun anubhavano nirṇay thāy?    0   Play

જ્ઞાનની પરિણતિ રાગ સાથે એકમેક થઈ ગઈ છે તે છૂટી કેમ પડે ? તેની શરૂઆત કેવી રીતે કરવી ? વચ્ચે શું આવે?    2:25   Play
gnānanī pariṇati rāg sāthe ekamek thaī gaī chhe te chhūṭī kem paḍe ? tenī sharūāt kevī rīte karavī ? vachche shun āve?    2:25   Play

સમજણથી શું વિશ્વાસ આવે?    3:40   Play
samajaṇathī shun vishvās āve?    3:40   Play

‘જાણપણું તે જ્ઞાન’ તે વિચારથી તો જાણી શકાય છે પણ ભાવભાસન આગળ થાય તેવું કાંઈક બતાવો.    5:10   Play
‘jāṇapaṇun te gnān’ te vichārathī to jāṇī shakāy chhe paṇ bhāvabhāsan āgaḷ thāy tevun kāīk batāvo.    5:10   Play

પહેલાં દ્રવ્ય-પર્યાયરૂપનું યથાર્થ સ્વરૂપ સવિકલ્પદશામાં પ્રતીતિરૂપ આવે પછી હું ‘જ્ઞાયક છું’ એમ પ્રતીતિમાં આવે ?....    11:00   Play
pahelān dravya-paryāyarūpanun yathārtha svarūp savikalpadashāmān pratītirūp āve pachhī hun ‘gnāyak chhun’ em pratītimān āve ?....    11:00   Play

પ્રશ્ન સમજાતો નથી    14:35   Play
prashna samajāto nathī    14:35   Play

mumukṣhuḥ- .. main gnāyak hūn̐ aur gnānake bhedamen is prakār vichār kare ki main mere dvārā, mujhe jānatā hū̃n. pratham bhūmikāmen aise vichār antar sanmukh honeke liye aise bhed bīchamen āte hain, aur usake bād hī use anubhav yā nirṇay..

samādhānaḥ- bīchamen vichār āye. gney nimagnatāko chhoḍ de aur svayam gnāyakakī or jāya. isaliye usamen svaparaprakāshak merā svabhāv nahīn hai, aisā nahīn hai. usakā rāg toḍatā hai. gneyakī jo nimagnatā hai, us nimagnatāko toḍakar usakā bhedagnān karatā hai ki merā gnān bāhar nahīn jātā hai athavā merā gnān mujhe chhoḍakar gneyamen chhinna- bhinna, khaṇḍa-khaṇḍa nahīn ho jātā hai. main to mere gnānase, svayam merā astitva merese jīvit hūn̐, mere astitvase rahanevālā hū̃n. isaliye merā gnān mujhe svayaṅko apanī or hī mere astitvamen rahanevālā merā gnān hai. aise.

mumukṣhuḥ- jisamen ekatvapanā kiyā hai, us ekatvako..

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, ekatvapaneko toḍatā hai. gnāyak hī merā svabhāv hai. toḍakar phir bāharakā gnān ho, shāstramen ātā hai na? ise nikāl do, nikāl do, aisā use nahīn hotā. kyoṅki usamen ekatvabuddhiko toḍanī hai. ekatvabuddhi toḍanī hai. ekatvabuddhi toḍakar bhedagnān karatā hai ki main mere gnānako prakāshit karanevālā svayam, main svayam jyoti gnān prakāshamān hū̃n. aise apanī or muḍatā hai. phir jo sahaj usamen ātā hai usakā gnān karatā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- gnānakī pariṇati rāgake sāth ekamek ho gayī, ... to vah kaise bhinna paḍe? usamen shurūāt kaise karanī? bīchamen kyā āye? usake bād kyā hotā hai? ....

samādhānaḥ- kyā? bīchamen kyā āye..?

mumukṣhuḥ- bhedagnān karanekī shurūāt kaise karanī? bādamen kaise āge baḍhanā?

samādhānaḥ- gnān hai use pahachān lenā ki yah gnān hai aur yah rāg hai. rāg aur gnānakā lakṣhaṇ pahachān lenā ki yah lakṣhaṇ gnānakā hai, yah lakṣhaṇ rāgakā hai. parantu pariṇati ek ho rahī hai, use bhinna karaneke liye, yah gnānalakṣhaṇ hai vahī merā svabhāv hai aur vahī mujhe sukharūp hai. jo gnān hai vahī sukharūp hai, rāg hai vah

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sukharūp nahīn hai, vah to vibhāv hai. aisī apanī pratīt yathārtha ho, usakī mahimā āye to usamense bhinna honekā svayam prayatna kare. aisā vishvās ānā chāhiye ki yah lakṣhaṇ gnānakā hī hai aur gnānalakṣhaṇ jo hai vahī main hū̃n. aur usīmen shānti hai, usīmen sukh hai. aur bāhar is rāgamen sukh aur shānti nahīn hai. aisā yadi use vishvās āye, pratīt āye to vah bhinna paḍanekā prayatna karatā hai.

yah sva so main, yah par hai. yah vibhāv merā svabhāv nahīn hai. aur use usamen sukhakā sukhakā vishvās ānā chāhiye, use apane svabhāvakā vishvās ānā chāhiye to bhinna paḍe.

mumukṣhuḥ- vishvāsamen samajhase vishvās āye aise?

samādhānaḥ- samajhapūrvak hī āye na ki yah gnān jo hai vahī sukhakā kāraṇ hai, merā svabhāv ho vahī sukharūp ho. ye rāg koī sukharūp nahīn hai. usakā vedan bhī ākulatārūp hotā hai. aur gnānakā vichār kare to usakā vedan ākulatārūhap nahīn hai. (rāg) ākulatārūp hai. aise pahale to vichārase nakkī kare. shurūātamen to use anubhav yā vedan hotā nahī̃n. isaliye vichārase hī use nakkī karanekā rahatā hai.

lakṣhaṇ pahachānakar vichār karanekā, vichārase nakkī karanekā rahatā hai. ... vah lakṣhaṇ pūrā akhaṇḍa dravya hai. vah lakṣhaṇ mātra paryāy tak sīmit nahīn, parantu pūrā dravya svataḥsiddha akhaṇḍa tattva hū̃n. aise use nirṇay karanekā antaramen rahatā hai. jo dikhatā hai vah mātra paryāy dikhatī hai, usake khyālamen ātī hai. parantu us parase pūre dravya par dr̥uṣhṭi karanī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- lakṣhaṇako bhinna karanemen hī takalīph paḍatī hai. lakṣhaṇako bhinna karanemen hī dikkat hotī hai. rāg aur gnān, ye donon..

samādhānaḥ- donon ekamek dikhate haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- jānapanā vah gnāna. aise vichāramen to le sakate haĩn. parantu usase āge kuchh bhāvabhāsan jaisā ho, aisā kuchh nahīn banatā.

samādhānaḥ- jānapanā vah gnāna. lekin jānapanā mātra nahīn, jo jāṇakasvabhāv hī hai, jo jāṇakasvabhāv hai vah main hū̃n. aise svayam antaramen gaharāīmen dr̥uṣhṭi kare to jāṇakasvabhāv hai vah main hū̃n. ye jaḍasvabhāv kuchh jānatā nahī̃n. jānanevālā svabhāv hai vah main hū̃n. svabhāv par jānā rahatā hai. mātra jānapanā nahī̃n. jānanevālā hai, us par dr̥uṣhṭi karanī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- aisā vichār karanepar rāg chhūṭakar paragneyase bhinna...

samādhānaḥ- sahaj hī bhinna paḍ jātā hai. gnāyak, jānanevālā gnāyak hī gnānarūp pariṇamatā hai. apane svabhāvarūp, gnāyak hī gnānasvabhāvarūp pariṇamit huā hai. aisā use lakṣhyamen āye, aisī pratīt ho, gnānamen lakṣhaṇase barābar pahachāne to rāgase aur gneyonse

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sahaj hī bhinna paḍ jātā hai. apanā astitva gnāyakarūpamen astitva grahaṇ ho to usamen dūsarā jo hai vah sahaj hī bhinna paḍ jātā hai. yah main hūn̐, isaliye ye main nahīn hūn̐, usamen sāthamen ā jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- vikalpātmak dashāmen jabatak aisī pratīti na ho, tabatak aisā gholan arthāt aise vichār, yathārtha vichāramen lenā?

samādhānaḥ- aise vichār use gholanamen chalate rahe, jabatak use gnāyakakā astitva antaramen-se grahaṇ na ho, tabatak vichār chalate rahe ki ye rāg main nahīn hū̃n. merā svabhāv gney nahīn hai, main to gnānasvabhāv hū̃n. aise vichār chalate rahe. parantu bhinna kab paḍe? apanā gnāyakakā astitva grahaṇ ho to usakā bhedagnān usamen sahaj ā jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- gnāyak hī gnānamen gnāt ho rahā hai, arthāt gnānakī paryāy jānanerūp pariṇamatī hai. vah jo āpane kahā na ki, usase paragneyase aur rāgase bhinna paḍe aur apanā .. astitva usake khyālamen āve, usake bād utpād-vyayako gauṇ karake sāmānyako..

samādhānaḥ- sāmānyako lakṣhyamen le. .. pariṇamanevālā hūn̐, par svabhāvarūp nahī̃n. aise lakṣhyamen liyā. main sāmānya dhruv anādiananta gnāyak hūn̐, usamen sāthamen ā jātā hai. usamen use kālakī or dr̥uṣhṭi nahīn karanī paḍatī. kālako khojane nahīn paḍatā. parantu ye jo astitva hai, vah astitva trikāl hai, aisī pratīti use usamen sāth ā jātī hai.

sahaj svataḥsiddha astitva aisā hī hotā hai ki jo trikāl hotā hī hai. sahaj astitva gnāyakakā hai. vah kisīne banāyā huā kr̥utrim nahīn hai, sahaj astitva hai, anādiananta hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- main gnāyak hī hūn̐, aise to vibhāg karake parase bhinna paḍanekā prayatna..

samādhānaḥ- gnāyak gnānarūp pariṇamatā hai. usakī vichārakī vidhimen kuchh bhī āye, parantu use ek gnāyak grahaṇ karanā hai. vichār-vidhimen use kram paḍe ki ye gney main nahīn hū̃n. ye rāg main nahīn hū̃n. phir prashasta bhāvakā guṇabhed, usamen vikalpa sāthamen rahate hai. yah gnān, yah darshan, yah chāritra. athavā merā gnān hai vah pariṇamatā hai, ye pararūp nahīn pariṇamatā. aise use guṇ-guṇīkā bhed paḍe, vichārakī vidhimen vah āye, usakā kram paḍe, lekin grahaṇ ekako karanā hai. kisīko dravya-guṇ-paryāyarūpase āte hain, kisīko utpād-vyay-dhruvarūpase āye, kisīko ye gnātā-gnān-gney aisā bhed karake āye, aise kisī bhī prakārase, koī bhī shabda bhāṣhāmen ho, parantu use mūl ekako grahaṇ karanekā hai.

gneyase bhinna karanā, vibhāvase bhinna karanā, aur guṇabhed, paryāyake bhed vah bhī vikalpa hai. usamen vāstavik guṇabhed yā paryāyabhed mūl vastumen nahīn hai. grahaṇ ekako karanā hai. kram use vichārakī vidhimen us tarah āge-āge kram paḍate haĩn. pahale sthūl hote-

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hote, sūkṣhma-sūkṣhma hotā jātā hai. gneyase bhinna paḍā, vah sthūla. phir rāgase bhinna paḍā, thoḍā āge chalā to guṇabhed, paryāyabhed, usase upayog sūkṣhma kiyā. usase sūkṣhma ek dravyako grahaṇ karanā vah hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- pahale dravya-paryāyarūp vastukā yathārtha svarūp savikalpa dashāmen pratītirūp āye aur phir main gnāyak hūn̐, aisā pratītimen āve, aisā koī kram hai?

samādhānaḥ- use vichārakī vidhimen aisā kram paḍatā hai. gnāyak hūn̐, aise grahaṇ ho vah alag hai. vāstavamen to vah grahaṇ karanekā hai. usake vichārakī vidhimen aisā nakkī kare. shāstramen bhī ātā hai na ki pratham sudr̥uṣhṭi so vichār kije bhinna. sūkṣhma sharīr bhinna jāne aur vikalpakī upādhi bhinna jāne. subuddhikā vilās bhinna jāne. vah kram ātā hai, lekin grahaṇ to ekako karanekā hai.

sachchā grahaṇ kiyā use kahen ki jo ekako grahaṇ kiyā vaha. upayog dhīre-dhīre sūkṣhma-sūkṣhma hotā jātā hai, āge jātā hai taba. gnāyak grahaṇ ho to sab kram use ekasāth ā jātā hai. sthūl aur sūkṣhma. ekadam ho jāy, ekadam gnāyak grahaṇ ho jāy, jaldī ho jāy..

mumukṣhuḥ- aisā bhī bane?

samādhānaḥ- hā̃n.

mumukṣhuḥ- sīdhā gnāyakako grahaṇ kare aur dūsarā gnān yathārtha ho jāya.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, ... ho jāya. use sāthamen ā jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- kisīko kam vichāraṇā chale.

samādhānaḥ- kam vichāraṇā chale. main kaun hūn̐? aisā vichār karate-karate main gnāyak hūn̐, aise grahaṇ ho jāya. to usamen use vikalpake bhed, rāgase bhed sab ekasāth ā jātā hai. bhed so main nahīn hūn̐, parantu main ek akhaṇḍa dravya hū̃n.

mumukṣhuḥ- pūrva sanskārakā kāraṇ banatā hogā?

samādhānaḥ- nahīn, pūrva sanskār nahīn banatā. kisīkī vartamān taiyārī ho to bane. chauthe kālamen aisā ban jātā. ekadam grahaṇ ho jāya. is pañchamakālamen to durlabh hai. jise antarmuhūrtamen ho jātā hai, use ekadam grahaṇ ho jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- āpako sahaj lagatā hai, aur hamen bahut ulajhan hotī hai. koī bār vichār karate samay ulajhanakā anubhav ho, koī bār aisā lage ki nahīn, ye to sahaj hai. bārambār vahī prashna kaise pūchhe?

samādhānaḥ- aisī nirāshā honekā koī kāraṇ nahīn hai. bhāvanā ho, isaliye vah vichār chalate rahe. bhāvanā ho isaliye prashna bhī āte rahe. jabatak antaramen svayaṅko jignāsā

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ho aur kaise prayatna karanā, isaliye prashna āte rahe.

mumukṣhuḥ- bhāvanāke prakaraṇase hī anajāne haĩn. kitanā sundar prakaraṇ khul gayā hai.

samādhānaḥ- tabatak vah sab ātā hī rahe, vichār, prayatna sab chalatā hī rahe. us din bolā gayā hogā, isaliye usamen sab ā gayā. gurudevake pratāpase...

mumukṣhuḥ- pravachanamen bolā gayā?

samādhānaḥ- vāñchanamen bol gayā ho, kisīne prashna pūchhā ho, usamen bolā gayā ho.

mumukṣhuḥ- rāgake atirikta dūsarā aisā kyā hai ki .. hone nahīn detā? rāg to spaṣhṭa samajhamen ātā hai. dūsarī koī dashāmen granthibhedakī koī nirmalatā nahīn hai, usake pahale to rāgakī pradhānatā to hai hī, aisā kaun-sā dūsarā tattva bhāvanāmen hai ki jo bhāvanāko saphal karatā hai?

samādhānaḥ- bhāvanāke sāth rāg juḍā hotā hai. parantu pariṇati apanī or joradār (hotī hai ki) ek ātmā hī chāhiye, dūsarā kuchh mujhe nahīn chāhiye. vah bhāvanā andarase jor (karatī hai). pariṇati, aisī yogyatā antaramense jīvakī pragaṭ hotī hai. apane puruṣhārtha, ruchi us orakī jāgr̥ut hotī hai ki mujhe ye kuchh nahīn chāhiye. usakī ruchi kahīn ṭikatī nahī̃n. ruchi ek ātmākī or hī jātī hai ki andar ātmāmense koī apūrvatā, antaramense apūrva shānti yā apūrva ānanda ā jāya. ātmāmense kuchh antaramen- se pragaṭ ho. aisī apanī ruchi ātmākī or jātī hai. rāg hai, parantu rāgake sāth apanī bhāvanākī aisī pariṇati joradār hotī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ātmā chāhiye, aise?

samādhānaḥ- ātmā hī chāhiye, dūsarā kuchh nahīn chāhiye. antaramen-se ātmākī koī apūrvatā prāpta ho, ki jisake binā use kahīn shānti nahīn hotī. use prāpta hue binā rahe hī nahī̃n. antaramen-se aisī bhāvanā jāgr̥ut huyī ho to.

mumukṣhuḥ- khās pātratāmen... bahut sundar viṣhay āyā hai.

samādhānaḥ- apanī antaramen-se aisī pātratā ho ki svayaṅko ātmā prāpta hokar hī chhūṭakārā ho. aisī pariṇati apanī or, ruchikī pariṇati aise muḍatī hai. pariṇati hī svayaṅko jorase khīn̐chakar ātmākī or lātī hai. ruchi hī svayaṅkī (aisī ho jātī hai ki) use bāhar kahīn shānti nahīn hotī. usakī pariṇati hī joradār svayaṅko pragaṭ hue binā rahatī hī nahī̃n.

.. usamen ā gayā hai na ki to jagatako shūnya honā paḍe. apanī pariṇati hī svayaṅko pragaṭ hue binā rahe hī nahī̃n. aisā kudaratakā svabhāv hai. pariṇati hī svayaṅkī

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or lātī hī hai. jagatako shūnya (honā paḍe arthāt) apanā svabhāv kārya kiye binā rahe hī nahī̃n. jagatako shūnya (honā paḍe). to vastu hī na rahe, yadi svayam apanī pariṇati pragaṭ na kare to.

mumukṣhuḥ- rāg hai, phir bhī rāg to vahān̐ dekhatā nahī̃n.

samādhānaḥ- rāg dekhatā nahī̃n. rāg sāthamen āye lekin rāg dekhatā nahī̃n. rāg rahit vastu muje chāhiye. aisī bhāvanā hai. apanī pariṇati antaramen-se svayam hī pragaṭ kiye binā rahe nahī̃n. jagatako shūnya honā paḍe. dravyakā nāsh ho jāya. lekin dravyakā nāsh to hotā hī nahī̃n. svayam apanī pariṇati pragaṭ kiye binā nahīn rahatā.

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho!

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