Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (itrans transliteration). Track: 33.

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mumukShuH- nimittakAraN aise pariNAmakA sachchA kAraN nahI.n hai, vah to samajhame.n AtA hai. lekin jIvadravyako upAdAnakAraNake rUpase grahaN kare to jIv nitya honese nitya rAg-dveSh hotA rahai. aur aise rAg-dveSh pariNAmakA kAraN jIv bhI nahI.n ho to, to phir usakA kAraN kahA.N khojanA?

samAdhAnaH- yah prashna to bahut chalatA hI hai. nimitta aur upAdAna. upAdAname.n to AtmA hai, lekin usakI paryAyame.n vah hote hai.n, mUl dravyame.n nahI.n hote. usakI paryAyame.n hote hai.n aur paryAy tak vibhAv simit hai. nimitta bhI hai aur upAdAn svaya.nkA hai. lekin mUl dravyame.n usake svabhAvarUp nahI.n hai, vibhAvarUp hai. vibhAvarUp hai isaliye palaT jAtA hai. vah to paryAyame.n hai aur paryAy to palaT jAtI hai.

anAdikA hai, lekin vah svaya.n akAraN pAriNAmik dravya hai. usakI pariNatime.n vah svaya.n nimittakI or dR^iShTi detA hai isaliye hote hai.n. paryAyame.n hote hai.n. svaya.n dravyakI or dR^iShTi kare to palaT jAtA hai. vah nitya nahI.n rahate. anAdise lekin vah svataH svaya.n akAraN pAriNAmik (rUpase) pariNamate hai.n. nimitta hai, nimitta hai hI nahI.n aisA nahI.n hai. upAdAn svaya.nkA hai. upAdAn hai, lekin apane dravyame.n vah mUl svabhAv nahI.n hai. paryAyame.n hote hai.n. paryAy palaT jAtI hai.

mumukShuH- upAdAn kAraN to usakA svaya.nkA AtmA hI hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vah svaya.n hI upAdAn kAraN hai. lekin vah paryAyame.n hote hai.n, usake svabhAvame.n nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- svabhAv nahI.n honese svabhAvakA Ashray lenepar usakA abhAv ho jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- palaT jAte hai.n. .. nimitta kuCh karatA hai, aise sab prashna Ate the, aisA koI kahatA thA, tab gurudev kahate the ki vah to akAraN pAriNAmik dravya hai. nimitta binA nahI.n hotA ho to apanA svabhAv ho jAye. svabhAv nahI.n hai, lekin vah apanI pariNati hai. vibhAvarUp pariNamatA hai. aur svabhAvarUp bhI svaya.n pariNamatA hai, dravya par dR^iShTi kare to. vah apanA


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nitya svabhAv ho jAye aisA nahI.n hai, vah to paryAyame.n hote hai.n. kAraN svaya.n hai. svaya.nkA svabhAv nahI.n hai, para.ntu kAraN svaya.n hai. lekin nimittakAraN bhI hai. ... Upar hai isaliye nimittakAraN hai hI nahI.n, aisA nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- vah kuCh karatA nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- karatA nahI.n hai, para.ntu nimitta hai. ek kShetrAvagAhame.n Akar sambandha hotA hai. aisA nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai. svaya.n svabhAvarUp pariNamit ho to vah karmakA bandhan svaya.n TUT jAtA hai, svaya.n ChUT jAtA hai. aisA sambandha hai. nimitta na ho to phir yah bandhan bhI nahI.n hotA, sharIr bhI nahI.n hotA, karma bhI nahI.n hote, kuCh nahI.n hotA. nimitta hai, lekin nimitta svaya.n kuCh karatA nahI.n. lohachu.nbak ho to sUI svaya.n (usake pAs A jAtI hai).

(nimitta) hai hI nahI.n, aisA nahI.n hai. nimitta yahA.N bhale kuCh karatA nahI.n, lekin yadi ho hI nahI.n to vah dravyakA svabhAv (ho jAye). vaise svabhAv nahI.n hai, dravyakA svabhAv nahI.n hai. upAdAn hai, apanI paryAyame ashuddha upAdAn svaya.nkA hai, lekin dravyakA mUl svabhAv nahI.n hai. dravyakA mUl svabhAv nahI.n hai, isaliye dravya par dR^iShTi karake koI apekShAse use parame.n DAl diyA jAtA hai. aur svaya.n puruShArthakI or dekhe to svaya.nke puruShArthakI mandatAse hote hai.n. isaliye svaya.n dR^iShTi palaTe to palaT jAtI hai.

mumukShuH- puruShArthakI apekShAse svaya.nke puruShArthakI mandatAse hote hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, svaya.nke puruShArthakI mandatAse hote hai.n. usakA vedan svaya.nko hai, isaliye svaya.nke hai, svaya.n karatA hai. bAt yah samajhanI, usame.nse dravya aur paryAyakA vivek karake Age jA sakatA hai, kyo.nki bIchavAlI bAt hai, nimitta karatA nahI.n, apane svabhAvame.n nahI.n hai aur vibhAvaparyAy svaya.n upAdAnase hotI hai. vah bIchavAlI svaya.n barAbar samajhe to mUl dravyame.n to nahI.n hai, vah paryAyame.n hote hai.n. paryAyakA upAdAn kAraN, ashuddha upAdAn svaya.nkA hai. nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai.

mumukShuH- lakShya karaneke liye do viShay hai, ek parapadArtha aur ek apanA svabhAv hai. kArya karanekI jimmedArI athavA kArya karanA apane hAthame.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- apane hAthame.n hai. kArya kis orakA karanA vah apane hAthame.n hai. vah jabarajastI nimitta nahI.n karavAtA. dR^iShTi parakI or kare to vahA.N rAg hotA hai, dUsarekI or dR^iShTi kare to, phir bandhan hotA hai. kahA.N karanI, puruShArthakI gati kahA.N karanI vah apane hAthame.n hai. nimitta kuCh karatA nahI.n.

mumukShuH- svaya.n kahanese trikAlI dravya hI svaya.n hai aisA nahI.n hai, lekin paryAyakA kAraNapanA bhI svaya.nkA hai.


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samAdhAnaH- vah svaya.nkA hI hai. dravya svaya.n ek or rah gayA aur paryAy karatA hai isaliye paryAyakA vedan paryAyame.n hai. usakA vedan karanevAlA koI anya aur dravya shuddha rah gayA vah koI anya, aisA nahI.n hai. dravya shuddha hai to paryAyakA vedan (kise hotA hai)? ek lo to rAgakA, dveShakA vedan to svaya.nko hotA hai. lekin mUl vastume.n nahI.n hai.

jaise sphaTik svabhAvase shvet hai, usakA shvetapanA usake a.ntaHtattvame.nse mUlame.nse jAye aisA nahI.n hai. lekin Upar dekho to lAl, kAlA Upar dikhAI detA hai. vaise dravyake mUl a.ntaHtattvame.n shuddhatA hai, lekin Upar rAg-dveShakI kAlimA hai usakA vedan svaya.nko hotA hai. sphaTik svaya.n pariNamatA hai. lekin vah aise pariNamatA hai, usakI mUl shuddhatA- sphaTikakI nirmalatA hai use ChoDakar nahI.n pariNamatA. lAl, kAle ra.ngarUp svaya.n pariNamatA hai, lekin usakA mUl (tattva) ChUTatA nahI.n. aise pariNamatA hai.

usI prakAr dravya pariNamatA hai, upAdAn usakA svaya.nkA hai, lekin vah rAg-dveSharUp Upar-Upar pariNamatA hai, usakI mUl shuddhatA hai vah chalI nahI.n jAtI. lAl, kAlA honeme.n use nimitta bAharakA hotA hai. phUl AdikA nimitta (hotA hai). lekin vah nimitta use kuCh karatA nahI.n. usame.n svaya.n vaisA pratibhAs hotA hai. sphaTik pariNamatA hai svaya.n, lekin lAl, kAlA yadi nahI.n ho to (pratibi.nb nahI.n uThatA). vaisA nimitta- naimittik sambandha hai.

vaise AtmAmee.n vah nimitta hai, nimitta kuCh karatA nahI.n. pariNamatA hai svaya.n. lekin dravyame.nse mUl shuddhatAko ChoDakar nahI.n pariNamatA. phir bhI nimitta hai sahI, nimitta kuCh karatA nahI.n isaliye nimitta hai hI aisA nahI.n hai. jaise sphaTikame.n aisA kahA jAye ki nimitta kuCh karatA nahI.n to nimitta binA prayojan hai. binA prayojan nahI.n hai. nimitta nahI.n ho to sphaTik saphed hI hotA hai. aisA sambandha hai. ekakShetrAvagAhame.n jo karmabandhan hai, usame.n jo vibhAvakI pariNati hotI hai, usame.n vah nimitta hai. lekin vah karatA kuCh nahI.n. pariNamatA hai vah svaya.n. us jAtakA koI achi.ntya svabhAv hai. achi.ntya hai. sphaTik dR^iShTA.ntame.n dekho to bhI achi.ntya lage. bAharase phUl kuCh karatA to nahI.n hai. to bhI sphaTikakI pariNati lAl aur hare Adi rUp hotI hai. tU vaisA pariNaman kar aisA bhI nahI.n kahatA. sphaTik svaya.n hI pariNamatA hai. dUr ho to usame.n vaisI pariNati hotI bhI nahI.n. aisA hai. usame.n to svaya.n dUr aur pAs (hotA hai). isame.n to svaya.n ashuddhatArUp pariNamatA hai isaliye ekakShetrAvagAhame.n karma bandhatA hai. use koI lene nahI.n jAtA. karma bandhatA hai. svaya.n yadi shuddharUp pariName, mUl dravyame.n shuddhatA hai vaise svaya.n pariName to use nimitta jabarajastI pariNamit nahI.n karavAtA. ChUT jAtA hai. usakA vah


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svabhAv achi.ntya hai. dravyakA jo bIchavAlA pariNati honekA svabhAv hai vah achi.ntya hai. yA to koI nimitta par chalA jAtA hai, koI upAdAn para. yA to aisA kahe ki nimitta nahI.n hai, yA to aisA kahate hai.n, nimitta hai to nimitta karatA hai. aise bIchame.n jo tIsarA hai, usakI pariNati koI achi.ntya hai. andar barAbar baiThe to use barAbar samajhame.n Aye.

mumukShuH- svaya.nko yadi trikAlIme.n sthApit kare to bhI bhUl hai, to ekAnta ho jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- to ekAnta ho jAtA hai. mai.n to shuddha hI hU.N.

mumukShuH- bhUl kisakI? bhUl kisIkI nahI.n aisA lage.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, bhUl kisIkI nahI.n hai, aisA ho jAye. parantu sphaTik svaya.n mUlame.n shuddhatA rakhakar svaya.n lAl-pIle phUlarUp pariNamatA hai. vaise chaitanyadravyakI shuddhatA toDakar ashuddhatA nahI.n hotI. shuddhatA rakhakar pariNamatA hai.

mumukShuH- svaya.nkA dravya hI pariNamatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- vah svaya.n hI pariNamatA hai. use apanA khyAl nahI.n hai, parantu aj~nAnadashAme.n bhI vaise hI pariNamatA hai. apanI shuddhatA TUTatI nahI.n. kahate hai.n na, apanA ghar ChoDakar usakA koI kAm nahI.n hotA. pariNati ashuddha hotI hai, lekin apanA chaitanyadravya, jo usakA svabhAv hai vah TUTatA nahI.n.

mumukShuH- jinendra bhagavAnakI ek rahasyamay bAt hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, rahasyamay bAt hai. isaliye vah sab Upar-Upar hotA hai. usake a.ntarame.n-mUlame.n kuCh nahI.n hotA. phir bhI use ashuddhatAkA vedan hai. yA to is or chalA jAtA hai, yA us or chalA jAtA hai. aisA hotA hai.

mumukShuH- yA to phir aisA kahe, paryAyakA kartA paryAy hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, to aisA ho jAye. paryAyakA kartA paryAy hai. dravya kuCh nahI.n karatA. dravya aur paryAy dono.nkA a.nsh aur a.nshI aise do bhAg karo to aisA kahaneme.n Aye. bAkI pravachanasArame.n AtA hai, dravya svaya.n hI pariNamatA hai. paryAy koI anyakI to hai nahI.n, dravya svaya.n pariNamit hokar paryAy hotI hai. usakA vedan svaya.nko hai. sphaTik svaya.n pariNamatA hai. sphaTikakI lAl pariNati aur usakI shuddhatA, aise dono.nko alag karo to usakA lAl ra.ng aur usakI shuddhatA, sphaTikakI jo shuddhatA hai vah bhinna aur lAl ra.ng alag aisA kahaneme.n AtA hai, parantu vah vastu bhinna-bhinna nahI.n ho jAtI. vastu to ek hI hai.

vaise chaitanyakI ashuddhatA aur andar shuddhatA. vaise shuddhatA aur ashuddhatA aise usake


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do bhAg karo to vastu bhinna-bhinna nahI.n ho jAtI. sphaTik vastu koI bhinna nahI.n ho jAtI. usakA lAl ra.ng koI alag vastume.n huA aur saphed sphaTik koI alag vastume.n hai, (aisA nahI.n hai). dono.n ek hI vastu hai.

mumukShuH- mUl pAyekI bAt hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N. vah ek hI sphaTik vastume.n hotA hai. sphaTik ek hai aur usake andar lAl ra.ng aur saphed, dono.n bhAg andar hI andar ek hI vastume.n hote hai.n. ekasAth hai.n.

mumukShuH- ek hI vastuke do a.nsh hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, ek hI vastuke do a.nsh hai.n.

mumukShuH- do a.nsh milakar ek vastu ban jAye aisA bhI nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- nahI.n, aisA nahI.n hai. vah koI a.nsh nahI.n, vastu hai, sphaTikakI jo nirmalatA hai vaha.

mumukShuH- vah kyA kahA? nirmalatA hai vah vastu hai, a.nsh nahI.n hai, yAnI kyA?

samAdhAnaH- do a.nsh kahA na? arthAt nirmalatAkA a.nsh aur ashuddhatAkA a.nsha. andar jo paDA hai, vah koI ek a.nsh nahI.n hai, vastu dravya hai. aisA kahA. a.nsh yAnI vah koI shuddhatArUp pariNamit huA a.nsh hai aisA nahI.n hai. pariNamit huA a.nsh nahI.n hai, vah to shaktirUp hai. aisA kahA. do bhAg hai vah barAbar, lekin shuddhatArUp hai vah pragaT pariNamit huA a.nsh hai aisA nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- pariNamatA a.nsh nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- pariNamatA a.nsh nahI.n hai. shaktirUp hai. svaya.n hI pariNamatA hai. vah isaprakAr pariNamatA hai ki usakA mUl TikAkar paryAy ashuddha hotI hai.

mumukShuH- nahI.n to AtmAko usakA vedan nahI.n hotA. yadi vah svaya.n nahI.n pariNamatA ho to use vedan nahI.n ho sakatA.

samAdhAnaH- vedan hI nahI.n hotA. to AkUlatAkA vedan hI nahI.n hotA. yadi dravya aur paryAy aise bilakUl bhinna hI ho to usakA vedan svaya.nko hotA hI nahI.n. to phir rAgakA vedan rAgame.n, svaya.nko usakA vedan hI nahI.n hotA, to phir use ChUTanekI apekShA bhI nahI.n hai. svaya.n pariNamatA ho to use ChUTanekI apekShA rahe. pariNamatA hI nahI.n ho to ChUTanekI apekShA kahA.N? rAgame.n, dveShame.n, vikalpame.n svaya.n pariNamatA hai. isaliye use aisA hotA hai ki merA svabhAv nirmal hai, mai.n apanI or dekhu.N, yah sab AkUlatA hai. usakA vedan hotA ho to ChUTanekA prayatna hai. usakA vedan hI nahI.n hai to phir ChUTanekA prayatna (kyo.n kare)? vastu hI dUsarI hai, to phir use svaya.nko ChUTanekA prayatna


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karanA nahI.n rahatA.

... dravyakA utpAd-vyay .. hai. lekin utpAd alag, vyay alag, sab bhinna- bhinna nahI.n paDe hai.n, ek hI vastuke a.nsh hai.n.

mumukShuH- utpAd-vyay ek sat aur dhruv ek sat..

samAdhAnaH- vastu bhinna-bhinna nahI.n hai. paryAyake a.nsh hai.n.

prashamamUrti bhagavatI mAtano jay ho!